steman
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QANTAS-Alitalia Code Share

Thu Feb 15, 2001 5:54 pm

Hello friends,
I have just read in the news section of this site that Alitalia and Qantas have reached an agreement to start code share services between Italy and Australia.
The jointly operated flights will begin next month but the article doesn't report details on which airline will operate physically the flights. It is possible that there will be flights from Rome and Milan to Sydney and Melbourne with stops in Bangkok or Singapore so I think both airlines will fly these routes.
Moreover the codeshare agreement includes also destinations within the respective Countries by the two airlines.
Alitalia recently has signed and renewed a lot of codeshare agreements: Northwest in the US, Varig in Brazil, Korean to Seoul and JAL to Tokyo. It seems that the Italian flag carrier wants to remain indipendent and have relationships with many different carriers rather than joining one of the major alliances.
I would like to know your opinion on that and I'd be glad if someone could post more details about the agreement between QF and AZ

Thanks

Stefano
 
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RE: QANTAS-Alitalia Code Share

Thu Feb 15, 2001 6:02 pm

There has been talk about this for a while now. Alitalia will code share on Qantas four weekly Syd/Mel-Bangkok-Rome 747 services. Alitalia will not be flying its own planes. There are no plans for any direct services out of Milan at this stage. Alitalia has been facing financial problems since of late, and decided to drop some destinations, Bangkok, Australia, Johannesburg etc in its own right. Having this code share services gives it some sort of a presence.
Yes, there will be some code shares in their home countries, I guess in Italy QF will be using Alitalia flights to Milan, Venice, Turin etc, and in Australia, AZ codes will be placed on Qantas domestic flgihts to Adelaide, Brisbane etc. And for the first time there will be reciprocal frequent flyer benefits. I dont know if this will extend beyong the Italy-Australia route at this stage though.
 
NUAir
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RE: QANTAS-Alitalia Code Share

Thu Feb 15, 2001 9:54 pm

Steman,

You may have got me! It appears that AZ is could be the Switzerland of Airline Aliances. Qantus in One World, Varig in Star, NWA in the NWA/KLM thing, and if you have anything to say about it AF in Sky team. and also don't forget about CO. I think AZ has to be the biggest mystery to me. Who is the new director? They have some very strange partners and I can't wait to see what happens after privatization. Not to mention that they aren't making any money. Are we looking at the next Sabena here? I'm sure you have some thoughts.

Groet,
NUair

PS- KLM/NWA/CO/AZ is still the best option  Wink/being sarcastic
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aduum
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RE: QANTAS-Alitalia Code Share

Thu Feb 15, 2001 11:01 pm

Ok im confused- at the perth domestic ansett terminal theres an alitalia sign up
which shows ansett are with them or soemthing
 
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NUair

Fri Feb 16, 2001 6:13 am


Its "Qantas" by the way.
 
steman
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RE: Nuair

Fri Feb 16, 2001 6:20 pm

Hi Nuair,

The new Alitalia CEO might be a good one as he was the one who saved the Italian Railways Company and make it profitable.
By the way, it is not true that Alitalia isn't doing money.
Their trafic as well as earnings have increased in 2000 even though the previous year, 1999, there were the Kosovo war that caused big losses to Alitalia and other Southern Europe airlines.
I think that they are following a street of restructuration before beginning an expansion, that's why they dropped many unprofitable intercontinental destinations such as Singapore, Sydney, Bangkok, Jo'burg and Addis Abeba. In the same time they are expanding (or they are about to do it)their presence in strategic markets like France, UK, Germany, USA, South America, India, China and Japan.
The recent agreements with Northwest in North America, Varig in Brazil, Qantas in Australia and Korean and JAL in Far East is a way to increase their presence in a moment when they cannot afford to fly directly to those destinations. According to an Italian aviation magazine, AZ long haul fleet in 2004 will have 15 B767-300ER, 6 B777-200ER, 4 B777-300ER (the first of the 6+6 options) and 7 MD-11. As you can see these are just 4 or 5 more than the current fleet of 12 B767s, 8 MD-11 and 7/8 B747s. That's why they made so many code share agreements with so many airlines.

Ciao

Stefano
 
NUAir
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RE: Nuair

Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:04 pm

Unless those 777-300ER orders are comming through a third party. Boeing has no record of this as of 30/1/01 (www.boeing.com). Do you mean as replacements for possible 777-200 options?

Anyway you might want to check some new comments directed to you (not by me) on the KLM/NWA future post. I think I have some following on the AF idea.

Groet,
NUair
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steman
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RE: Nuair

Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:48 pm

Hello Nuair,
Alitalia has 6 orders for B777-200ER with GE90-94B engines, 6 options for 777-300ER with GE90-115B engines and six more rolling options for uspecified versions.
If they won't get any 747s or A380s in the future those rolling options may be converted into more 773ER otherwise they are likely to be converted into more 772s.
Thanks for advise about our old thread, I am going to check it right now.

Ciao

Stefano

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