gmonney
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Which Canadian Airline Can...

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:01 am

I was wondering which Canadain Airline can fly the most profitable aircraft. Or which aircraft makes the company the most money. I'm sure if i left it open, I would get a lot of U.S. people adding to it. Please use only the major Canadian carriers such as....A/C, C3, CJ, WJ, TS SkyService, Roots (soon), etc. Also consider the leasing of the aircraft, and payments. Assume that the flights are full, and that each company will be using their respected services on the flight.

Thanks,

G
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Superfly
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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:04 am

Isn't the beautiful A340 and 747-Combi very profitable for Air Canada?
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AirCanadaMan
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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:10 am

Air Canada may have the best planes but they just recently lost alot of cash.

Westjet contines to increase its profit and is always making more and carrying more pax. Look at thier fleet, 737-200's.

Canjet...well someone familiar with them can answer that.

C3-Royal: Doing good enough to merge, Royal uses older aircraft.

Air Transat, carrying a bunch of people to tropical destinations with fairly good loads and older aircraft.
(except A330)

So presently, they most modern fleet is losing the most money. (With the exception of Canjet, as Im not sure)
 
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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:40 am

It may be a good thing that AC is losing money. This would leave room for other small Cdn-based airlines to compete with AC. If AC really dominates the market in the future, there would not be too much competition, and that's not a good news to customers.

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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:41 am

If Air Canada was strapped for cash, wouldn't operating older planes be more profitable instead of buying new jets?

Does being part of Star Alliance have anything to do with there short fall of revenue?
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Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:45 am

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My Pick......

Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:10 am

Well if you are looking at money vs size vs range and utility I would say that the A310 is the best plane flying in Canada for an airline...

1) The plane is still relatively new...at leas the ones flying in Canada are.....
2) They are cheap to lease....aproximatly 1 A330 is that same as 3 A310's
3) 250 seats means you could even have a full flight on a yyz-yul flight, but also perfect for long hauld charters.
4) Plane is easy enough to maintain, especially when compared to the newer airbus, parts are easy to get and cheap(er) to buy.
5) The plane is economical enough to do short hops like YYZ-MCO or YYZ-YUL but can also do YVR-HNL, or YYZ-AGP.
6) It's just an all around nice aircraft.....
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RE: My Pick......

Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:44 am

I agree absolutely with Slawko's assesment of the A310 (operated in Canada by AT and QN). For the medium to thin routes, however, I think the A320 is a great aircraft for these types of ops.

Relatively new, inexpensive to operate, between 130-170 pax, effecient, environmentally friendly, blah blah blah, all the good stuff...but not as many seats as the A310 so as to offer more frequency.

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captaingomes
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RE: My Pick......

Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:15 am

Hmmmmm,

seems Airbus has the most efficient aircraft! I do honestly wonder how Airbuses compare to Boeings, when compared side to side in operating efficiency. The A310 is a great aircraft, as Slawko pointed out, but many say the 767 is better. However, what may give the A310 the edge are the low lease payments.

But I do wonder how brand new aircraft from Boeing and Airbus compare to one another, considering such factors as longevity, fuel consumption, revenue generating capabilities, maintenance, etc.

Hmmmmmmm ...
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What About The 757?

Fri Feb 16, 2001 12:03 pm

Isn't the 757 among strong aircraft in canada? So why do companies like TS, QN, and C3 operating them. Any help here please!

G
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AirCanadaMan
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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Fri Feb 16, 2001 12:17 pm

Yes, the 757 is only used among the 3 charter airlines.
However, C3 is the only one that really uses them domestically. Obviously they are ecomomcial because the airlines still have them and are happy with them.

There are rumours, although they are just that, that C3 and QN are trying to remove thier 757's.

 
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AirCanadaMan

Fri Feb 16, 2001 12:42 pm

Ya I have been reading this. Knowing an employee of QN, he says that the 732's are the worst, he likes the 757's.

Is it looking like Canada pushing towards an Airbus fleet, instead of a Boeing fleet. Thats the way its seems to me. This is not leading or in anyway starting an Airbus vs. Boeing war, just an observatioin.

For Example:

QN- likes the the A310's and wants to get rid of the Boeing products.

TS- ordered the A310's, likes their A330's, no other plan to purchase Boeing!!

C3- hmmmmm, A319's.... enough said.....and aren't there A330 or A340 talks?

I can see WJ be like the Canadian SW (southwest) all 737 fleet. That may fit their vision, which with me, thats ok, I like the 737 line up.

Sky Service/Roots- AirBus is well established in their fleet.

It looks like the 732 was a good start up aircraft for some companies, and as more and more are making money and in the market for new aircrafts, they are purchasing AirBus'. Any reasons, besides the commonality of some of the aircrafts?

Thanks,

G
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RE: Slawko

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:21 pm

I agree with you Slawko,
The reason why I pick the 310 ahead of the 767 is simply the availability, there aren't that many 767s which are free to lease these days, but a whole bunch of 310s,which in fact are about the same age, and the -300 has quite a good range too. Thus the airlines can get really low prices when auireing/leasing the 310s.
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RE: 757

Fri Feb 16, 2001 11:58 pm

Hi:

Not sure, about the fact that charters are happy with their 757-200s. TS will not renew the lease of their 757s and will accept delivery of widebodies A313s instead.
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RE: 757

Sat Feb 17, 2001 2:45 am

The 757 is a great airplane in it's own right. However, Transat is getting rid of them, C3 is getting rid of them, and so is Royal. I understand that Royal actually pays less to lease an A310 than they do a 757, while they are equivalent in technology.

This means they are getting an airplane the equivalent of a 767 for less than the price of a 757. It's too bad, because the 757's are really nice airplanes.
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RE: 757

Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:42 am

I guess the Boeing 747 isn't popular with some of the bean counters, because as far as I know, Nationair is the only Canadian charter airline who successfully used the jumbo, although the ill fated Air Luso was going to do the same. That never got off the ground though.

I'm wondering, as 747-400s become available in the used marked, will they even be considered for charter operations for airlines like Air Transat or Canada3000?
I'm assuming they wouldn't but ahhhhhhhhhhh, whouldn't it be nice  Smile
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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:50 am

air canada took over canadian as it wasnt viable to run financially.Also i really hope that Canjet continue their rise, much rather them than air transat any day.
 
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RE: Which Canadian Airline Can...

Sat Feb 17, 2001 8:29 am

If we were to look at the economics of an a/c on a particular route(s), then my vote would be for AC's former CAI 747-400s flying at capacity to Asian destinations. I don't have any official numbers, but aren't load factors tremendous for those routes?
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