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Qualiflier Dying?

Sat Feb 17, 2001 12:37 am

I understand that Swissair's latest MD-11 to come out of heavy maintainance was repainted with the old color scheme, with a grey bottom, instead of with the blue Qualiflier colors which they have been implementing the past few months.

I guess that may be a big hint that Swissair will join Oneworld or Star.

Pity about the new colors. The planes were much better looking with the blue bottom.

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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sat Feb 17, 2001 12:49 am

Was also a little weird when they rolled out LTU with a red underside ... Anyway - Crossair has already refused to implement the blue bottom, so this was anyway getting inconsistent.

Anyway - in my opinion, Swissair needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and go back to whet they do best: Run an airline - not an international consortium.
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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sat Feb 17, 2001 12:58 am

Swissair's new CEO has stated that he wants to enter Oneworld. Qualiflier is pretty much an inter-european alliance with no outside connections. Swissair has proven it can play with the bigboys and the best thing for them to do is enter Oneworld, that is if they want to stay with American for the long run. I wonder if Gibberish knows anything about this, he is the guy to ask.
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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sat Feb 17, 2001 1:27 am

I guess with all the present codeshares SR offers with one world carriers it would be the only acceptable decission. When they bring in the Qualiflyer Members into "one world" the resulat of covering
Ireland, UK, Begium, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Poland, Finnland, Turkey with "hubs" in
in Europe - is really not bad.


RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:01 am

swissair deserves to be in a decent alliance, it does need to re-think its policy with regards to other airlines.Personally i feel that a ba/swissair merger would be ideal for both, ba is looking for a closer european partner as it would be quite difficult to get closer to AA and swissair needs a partner too.Also quality airlines should stick together.

another good idea would be for qualifier to disband and each airline chooses an alliance which is best for its needs, some could join skyteam, wings or star or oneworld dependng on where they fly.

qualifier could also just merge into another alliance like skyteam which wouldnt raise as many concerns than it merging into oneworld or star.

i think also that alliances wthin the next few years will reach over capacity and we could see smaller, closer alliances like northwest/klm or maybe alliances with 5-7 odd members.

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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sun Feb 18, 2001 5:26 am

What about Qualiflyer merging into Oneworld? Sorry if that sounds ridiculous, I haven't been following the news  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:40 am

Hey guys!

Sorry if you were awaiting my comments but I was on vacation! I'm back now and I have a lot of posts to catch up on! Anyway, I'm still sticking to the same theory:

The SAir consortium (Swissair, Sabena, Crossair, and maybe LOT) joining the Oneworld alliance and with that the break-up of the small but not at all lousy Qualiflyer. In my eyes, Star, Skyteam and (Wings) are definately out of the picture.

Some reasons, which I have mentioned before and still stick to:

- Swissair (and other QG members) have close ties to most Oneworld carriers (code-share with AA, CX, etc)

- Swissair's independence will not be in danger in the Oneworld alliance (BA not as overlapping as LH/OS, etc)

- ZRH (and maybe BRU) could serve as a perfect complement to LHR (congestion, AA issue, etc)

- As others have mentioned SR would perfectly fit into Oneworld and it's got to be their number 1 choice.

- Star? No. Swissair has also rejected a Lufthansa offer a few years ago. OS/SR is history. And the EU cartell officers wouldn't allow it. It wouldn't be good for Swissair either, they'd lose a lot of traffic to the much larger, neighboring LH.

- (Wings)? Is not even an alliance (yet). It is not at all interesting for Swissair. They would be better off staying in Qualiflyer and the AA partnership. But Wings is starting to spread its wings. I'm thinking of MH, AZ, South American partner.

It would also be a great benefit to Oneworld because Swissair's reputation is still one of worlds best.

I can see this happening in the very near future because it is of great importance for Swissair to finally become part of a strong global alliance.

I'll keep you posted!


RE: Qualiflier-blue Belly Died!

Fri Feb 23, 2001 5:18 pm

Reliable information: The Qualiflyergroup cancelled the blue-belly alliance colorscheme! We cannot tell you if this means also the end of the Qualiflyergroup.
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RE: I Dont Know If You Noticed...

Fri Feb 23, 2001 5:56 pm

But man that MD-11 used up every bit of runway possible in that photo. He must have been upwards of 600,000 pounds on that departure. Yep..i dont really have any other good points to put in this topic but that....
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RE: Qualiflyer Dying?

Fri Feb 23, 2001 8:26 pm

It would be a bit difficult for the Qualiflyer alliance to break up, since SAirGroup has a stake in many companies within the group, TAP Air Portugal etc.
Although the smaller airlines in the Qualiflyer group would definitely not fit in OneWorld, such as Volare and the other Italian airline. I still think that the big airlines in Q-F should join OneWorld, since it would provide them with an extraordinary global coverage.
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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Fri Feb 23, 2001 8:53 pm

BLINK182, where did you hear this? Do you have a source. I know they are talking, but I haven´t heard this.
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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:48 pm

SR doesn't have a stake in TAP, but "only" in AOM, Air Liberté, Air Littoral, Volare Group, Lot, SAA, Crossair, Sabena and LTU (did I forget any airline?)

Nevertheless, a break up is still possible. Even if it would hurt, perhaps it would hurt less to keep accumulating losses thru out Europe.

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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:03 pm

Swissair didn't make any decisions about their future, yet. There are some rumoers in Swiss medias about joining Oneworld. I guess Star Alliance make no sence. Maybe a closer American Airlines/Swissair deal.
The blue livery should show the Qualiflyer Group. But right now, I don't believe still in that, because SAirGrop don't want to invest in Turkish Airlines, TAP Air Portugal and and. There are again rumors that SAirGroup don't want suport the french and Italian airlines AOM, Air Liberté, Air Littoral, Air Europe and Volare. Also the future of Sabena on board of SAirGroup is no longer sure.
But this is true, the blue livery looks more fresh and modern.
Go Swissair for a great future. The quality of this airline is still very good.
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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sat Feb 24, 2001 12:47 am

I read a little bit about this.

1) I also heard that the blue underside QF scheme was being dropped.

2) LTU is no longer in qualiflyer, a large piece of the German charter is ownder by SAir, but it will not be integrated into Qualiflyer.

3) SAir now wants to merge Air Liberte and AOM into a new Air Liberte, but not add any more A340s.

4) Air Littoral may be either sold or merged more closely with Crossair

5) I don't believe SAir owns stakes in PGA Portugalia, or TAP.

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RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sat Feb 24, 2001 1:20 am

Dear Russ

You have right on some points. LTU is not a part of the Qualiflyer Group and Swisair doesn't have a stake in PGA or TAP. But Air Littoral said they don't want to merge with Crossair and some people also say that Swissair will sell theri whole french business. I don't know details, today it was writen in a leading Swiss newspaper that Swissair will also sell Sabena. I don't believe that. But Swissair looks now for all options.
Anyway, great that you like Switzerland. I can tell you more if you want. I also like the USA and Asia very much.
What I like very much is Swissair. Great airlines.

RE: Qualiflier Dying?

Sun Mar 04, 2001 8:34 pm


what blue undeside are you talking about, was Qantas going to put a blue underide on the planes ?

If so do u have any links to the info