Wide Body Plane [s]?

Fri Apr 23, 1999 11:10 pm

im sorry for all the AWA questions lately but.....

What widebody would be best for america west Airlines? I think the B767.
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RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Fri Apr 23, 1999 11:16 pm

I agree with you that the Boeing 767 would be the best widebody for AW. Then, they can use the 767s and 757s on long domestic routes, bringing them more service to the east, which is really weak for them right now.

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RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Fri Apr 23, 1999 11:27 pm

It depends on what types of routes they are goin to operate them on. Are they going to expand to the Orient or just use them on current routes?
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RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Sat Apr 24, 1999 2:35 am

The 767-300 or 400 would be ideal for Cactus. It also depends upon how they are going to use them.

RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Sat Apr 24, 1999 7:07 am

I think that AWA should get the 767 for domestic routes and the A340 (to go with thier A320's and A319's) for European and Asian routes.

RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Sat Apr 24, 1999 10:54 am

For domestic routes (which AW should stick to), the best would be either the 767-200, 767-300, or depending on how many Airbus a/c they get...possibly the A300-600R or A310-300. Personally, I don't think they (AW) should expand into Europe or Asia...yet. Their hubs aren't exactly in the best locations to draw the pax. to warrant an A340 or any other a/c that large. In a few years, AW should look into the LAS-PKG, SHA, or if poss. HKG routes.

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RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Sat Apr 24, 1999 11:57 am

I believe America West could create strong international hubs out of LAS, PHX and, to a lesser degree, CMH. I think it is wrong to say the locations aren't good enough. First of all, Phoenix may not have the population of Los Angeles, but geographically it is similar. The key is to have good and plentiful potential connections. Imagine long-range aircraft (A340-500) arriving from Southeast Asia and Australia with connecting passengers for the Northeast U.S and Eastern Canada. The only market that would be skipped on Asian services would be Southern California. California could be tapped with international services down into Central and South America, the Caribbean and Europe, perhaps using A330-200s (commonality with A340s). PHX would be great for any north/southbound services. British Airways flies a 747-400 to PHX (and San Diego) and it has been quite successful. America West could completely eliminate BA from this route (although the government would never allow it).

Las Vegas would be a great international hub, particularly from Asia. That city draws plentiful amounts of both tourists and business travelers from all over the world as both a vacation spot and massive high-technology convention capacity. LAS could probably be bigger internationally than PHX.

The Columbus hub is small, but it is positioned well to compete with Continental's Cleveland hub. I see room here for limited services to Europe using smaller aircraft. America West must eventually end its relationship with Continental and attack head-on. This would make HP more independent and would mark their entry into the big leagues.

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RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Sat Apr 24, 1999 2:10 pm

Yes...I never said Vegas wasn't a good hub...infact, it is a great one...PHX and CMH aren't, though for int'l...The only reason BA's flights from PHX-LHR are full is because of the AW codeshare they have. Believe me, I would be the HAPPIEST PERSON if BA was beaten at its own game on the PHX run... (BTW--How geographically are LAX and PHX similar?)... I would love to see AW succeed in this int'l market...however from PHX and CMH it isn't going to happen. AW needs to create and int'l image and brand name...and they need to strengthen their name domestically.

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if any of this doesn't make sense...sorry. I am reallllllllllly tired...

RE: Wide Body Plane [s]?

Sun Apr 25, 1999 2:35 am

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L, your points are well taken.

I guess the best answer to the original question is that right now, AWA should stick to narrow-bodies and expansion of service and increased frequencies within North America.

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