donder10
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High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sun Feb 18, 2001 9:13 pm

I live 3 miles to the Eastof Heathrow and often see aircrafts which are forming very long jet streams over my house.Do you know if these would be flyging from say Paris to America?Does anyone know the London Centre frenquncies?Thanks,alex
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sun Feb 18, 2001 10:09 pm

Although I don't listen to ATC, I can tell you that those jetstream contrails you see over LHR are indeed EU-US flights.

Most US-bound flights originating in EU (I use this as an abbreviation for Europe), must pass through UK and Irish airspace, before heading out over the Atlantic.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sun Feb 18, 2001 10:24 pm

Also could these be EU flies going to Ireland as well or would they be lower?
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sun Feb 18, 2001 10:29 pm

Sorry i dont know the frequencies for London or the UK, but if you have a scanner, you could always do a search if your scanner permits you to do one. That should get you the frequencies used and then oncde you have found them, put those in for scanning, just search the air channels.
VH
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sun Feb 18, 2001 10:47 pm

Donder10

Yes, they could well also be flights to DUB, SNN etc, although they will be few and far between.

The vast majority of contrails over UK skies belong a/c flying between the US and EU.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sun Feb 18, 2001 11:58 pm

I don't know frequency, but when I was in London I could always see jet clouds weaving the sky. If some stake of these are EU-US flights, it must past Dublin, because Dublin is near shortest route between London-NY or other US cities.

Just be surprised for this scene.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Mon Feb 19, 2001 12:18 am

This would make sense as on Saturday mornings I often see contrail forming from planes going East to West around 11 am to 1pm.I am very new to aviation so I need to ask a few more questrions if you don't mind.What do you mean by search the air channels?I know that when an airport, planes contact clerance,ground,tower and departure but then what?I know planes fly via VOR'S AND NDB'S and other similar things but do they contact these..as you can see I'm a total novice!!Or do Centres like London Centre talk to the planes and direct them all the way?Thanks for your help,Alex
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Mon Feb 19, 2001 6:17 am

Would these planes be in contact with London Centre?
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Mon Feb 19, 2001 6:52 am

Donder10,

I am not an expert on ATC matters, but I understand that US bound a/c overflying UK Airspace contact West Drayton, Manchester and Liverpool before being transferred to Dublin and onwards.

 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Mon Feb 19, 2001 7:59 am

I noticed these as well when I was in London. A good number of these aircraft are transatlantic flights, because if you look closely you can tell that many of these a/c are 747s, 777s, and A330/340s. Also, when I flew CDG-ORD a few months ago, we passed right over London.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Mon Feb 19, 2001 8:48 am

I know some Delta flights go over Heathrow
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Mon Feb 19, 2001 10:45 am

Is West Drayton the same as London Centre?
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:14 am

Can anyone help me???????
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:46 am

Donder,

Try Airnav.com. I'm not sure if it is European. But it has many airports on it.

Jake
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:02 am

IT doesnt any have any European ones on it  Sad
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:38 pm

To get to the London Center frequencies should be very easy. Simply follow a specific flight as he climbs out. When the controller tells him to contact a certain frequency, just make the change with him on your scanner. Sooner or later you'll be listening to London Center.

At that point, stay on that frequency. You'll hear numerous aircraft at cruise altitude. To get more LHR Center freqs, keep listening. ATC will pass aircraft from sector to sector.

You'll surprised how well this works. Early in 2000, I drove from New Orleans to Denver, and by the time I got back home to N.O., I had the whole route mapped out by Centers (Houston, Ft Worth, Kansas City, and Denver).

Tom in NO (at MSY)

P.S. You can tell it was a pretty boring drive!!!
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:01 pm

If you have any airline pilot friends, they have their charts and would be able to look on them and tell you what the frequency at high altitude is.
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 3:53 pm

Possibly slightly off topic, but FYI: there are some nice images of LHR filmed overhead on the latest Just Planes release of an A340 to NRT and an A321 to DUB. (The images obviously coming from the second trip...)

Best regards,

TriStar.

 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 5:07 pm

If heading North the a/c could be charters or flights from the EU to MAN,NCL,GLA etc, especially if they are quite high as when coming back fom TFS to NCL on SCY I flew straight over LHR at about 36000ft. We didnt start to descend untill we nearly reached Manchester.
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:34 pm

I've flown right over LHR on a flight from Madrid to Stansted. I think we were about 15,000 to 20,000 ft above.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:42 pm

West Drayton is the location of London Center, you could try any of the following freqs:

134.90 / 127.10 / 133.60 or Shanwick 123.95 / 127.65

One of the primary routes past LHR is on the UG1, this brings flights to the STU VOR, then depending on which NAT the flight is assigned will dictate if the flight goes over Dublin, Cork, Shannon or Galway before entering the Atlantic.

GKirk, you wont have flown over LHR at 36,000 ft, even altitudes are presently not used in Europe. Finally the rule of thumb for the descent point is 3 times your alititude.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:45 am

what exactl do u mean by UG1 and where abouts is the STU VOR?Also what do u mean by NAT?
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Wed Feb 21, 2001 5:24 am

Ok it was at 35,969ft then.
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:55 am

hey yall..please keep it to the basics with Donder... do you really expect him to know all the abbreviations and crap? Keep it simple and dont try to show off..he will learn more that way...


UG1- that is a high altitude jet route in the UK if i am not mistaken

STU VOR- this is a VOR (remember from the other posts?) it is located at STU whereever the heck that is...i dont know all the abbreviations for airports and locations.

NAT- North Atlantic Track...these are the paths that the aircraft cross the atlantic on...they shift around everyday depending on winds and weather and such.

hope this helps Big grin
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:26 pm

If you ever need to look up an abbreviation of an airport (or an airline, for that matter), a good link is http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7862/codes.htm.
STU is not an airport, though...

Take care,

TriStar.
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Thu Feb 22, 2001 5:59 pm

Hi Donder10

I am amazed no-one has given you the frequency 127.425. This covers most of the high level stuff coming off Europe heading east and the astbound traffic coming down UG1.

I know that the traffic going north i.e. BPK-POL goes onto 127.1 but can't remember the other frequencies involved in the 'lower' level traffic FL280 and below.

Good luck

Weex
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Fri Feb 23, 2001 6:40 am

i guess this would cover most of the high-flying planes over me.Thanks Big grin
 
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RE: High-flying Aircraft Over Heathrow

Sat Feb 24, 2001 1:32 am

Do you know what the frequency for aircraft heading West on the UG1 is weex or anyone else?Thanks,alex