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South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:11 am

I heard a radio interview today with a Nigerian journalist who was ecstatic that SAA was finally starting its new nonstop flight from JFK to Nigeria (and of course on the South Africa).

Not earth-shattering itself, but the gist of the story had to do with how, for a few years, all most Americans knew of Nigeria was at the airport security checkpoint: "Lagos, Nigeria / Murtala Muhammad Airport has been determined to have poor security. " I'm sure every American passenger remembers this sign at almost every airport in the country, even the tiniest ones.

This journalist believed that Nigerians in this country were unfairly considered a security threat whenever they had to show their passports, plane tickets to security. As a result of this ban on flights from the US, they were hassled a second time whenever they transited in Europe or Dakar/Abidjan on their way to Nigeria for the same reasons.

However, all this is just an interesting aside, as my real question is: how long have South African been operating this flight? It was my understanding that this flight was placed in limbo for quite some time, although a news archive check on the new site reveals that it supposedly started in August 2000.

Have I just awakened from a coma, or did SAA indeed just start flights recently?

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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:12 am

PS It's a cheap flight too -- only $599 RT!

RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:22 am

Yes, this flight is new. Nigeria Airways used to operate DC-10s here, but the company folded leaving no Lagos service here.
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:25 am

Oh yea, another interesting note, i that SAA operates this route with a 747-300, not a -400 as most would suspect.
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:43 pm

So, I guess that Murtala Mohammad Airport in Lagos is now removed from the American list shown at all airports? I remember also reading Haiti's Port-au-Prince International Airport on that list.

Not that I would voluntarily travel there now... Whatever this Nigerian journalist might suggest, Nigeria is still far from a nice counrty to visit, just to use the understatement of the year.

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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:12 pm

So, what happened to SAA´s flight via Ilha do Sal/Cabo Verde? I have been there 3 years ago and every night you could hear their 744s coming from JFK and Jo´berg. Did this new service via Lagos replace the one with the stop at Sal?
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 10:31 pm

As far as I know, SAA still have their daily JFK-JNB flight offered in code-share with Delta Air Lines. Delta also has a code-share agreement with Delta on the ATL-CPT route.

So, I wonder, as the thrice-weekly JFK-LOS-JNB flight also carries a SAA-code, will Delta be starting a code-share on that flight soon as well.

As Delta handles all SAA flights in the US, I expect them to do so for this new service as well, anyway.

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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Fri Feb 23, 2001 11:35 pm


SAA still operate through SAL on their JNB-FLL/ATL service. I think ATL - JNB is direct so they only stop 1 way now
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Sat Feb 24, 2001 12:33 am

The CPT - ATL service stops in FLL. All other flights from South Africa to USA (ie JNB - ATL / JFK) stop in Cape Verde.

On whether DL will code-share on the new SAA flight, that's an interesting topic. Isn't this new SAA flight a new unique arrangement reached with the Nigerian gov't and jointly operated with Nigerian Airlines. This arrangement may prevent DL from code-sharing on the route??
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Sat Feb 24, 2001 12:57 am

This is a new flight .Ops only started this week.
I doubt many passengers from Johannesburg to
New York will travel on the flight as the ac stops in
Lagos for 3 hours enroute.SAA always carry quite a
few pax on the Johannesburg Lagos Johannesburg
run and the fares are quite high revenue
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:28 am

DL is not going to be codesharing on the JFK-LOS-JNB service. It's strictly between SAA and Nigerian. Apparently the dispute that held up the service was that SAA wanted to claim the lion's share of seats on the flights, leaving Nigerian with less than a third of the seats. Don't know how the issue has been resolved. I could be wrong, but I don't think the service has started just yet. Maybe within the next month; I'll check on it next time I'm at work. The JFK-JNB nonstop service will still operate as before, daily with 747-400s.
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Sat Feb 24, 2001 4:44 am

Why doesn't South African still have the 'Suid Afrikaanse Lugdiens' titles on the port side of the aircraft?
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RE: South African NYC-Lagos

Sat Feb 24, 2001 9:08 am

Service has started and ZS-LAU, a SAA B747-300 was spotted at JFK on Thursday. It has large NIGERIA AIRWAYS titles along with standard SAA markings. It operates Mo/We/Fr on the JNB-LOS-JFK rouute (it arrives JFK on Tu/Th/Sa. This is in addition to the daily JNB-SID-JFK B747-400 flight.


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