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Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 11:26 am

Cleveland Hopkins International is a hub for Continental, but there are only two international flights a day, #66 and #67, both 757-200s nonstop to Gatwick. The 757 is the largest plane that flies into and out of CLE. If I recall, the last 747 in CLE was the Northwest 747 whose photograph is on this site. This was back in 1999. That year seemed to be great for plane watching, since there were 767s, A330s, DC-10s, 747s, and L-1011s. There were no pictures of jumbo jets all last year, and the only 747 that came to CLE was the United Arab Emirates's 747SP. Even though that was six weeks ago, I still would like to know why jumbo jets of national airlines don't come to Cleveland. they are planning on expanding runway 5R to 11,250 ft., and they want to close 5L and move it 150 feet to the left of 5R. It will be 9000 ft. and known as 5W. I've been waiting for a long time to take a picture of a jumbo jet, but where have all the jumbo jets gone?
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 11:45 am

With the innability (sp) to perform simultaneous landings and takeoffs there would be the possibility for many delays in bad weather because they usually operate at something near simultaneous. But without visual landing capabilities it's one at a time. The airport is also very congested (as reported in an article in the Plain Dealer) and COex had to cancel some flights. Another reason is their are only three international gates. There is probably more to it then this but this has to be part of it.

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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 11:46 am

I'm from Cleveland and I have been spotting extensively for two years. Right now the only scheduled jumbos we get are the FedEx A310s, and one other person argues that there's an Ilyushin widebody scheduled once a month. Other than that, there's none to be seen except a rare L1011 by American Trans Air, and diversions from EWR, DTW, CVG, PIT, and ORD.

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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 11:47 am

I'm not sure when they go in and out but FedEx brings in a pair of A310's or A300's, one of the two.

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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:04 pm

After the expansion is finished I think we will see some bigger aircraft come in. CO is planning to put a 767 on the LGW route in the future. I also heard a rumor from a CO captian that a flight to NRT could be in the works in about two years. There is a high demand of travel from CLE to the Far East. He told me that this route may happen or a widebody route to SFO or LAX by United. Many CLE citizens use UA to the Far East and are sick of making up to three stops (EX. UA: CLE-DEN-SFO-NRT) Also last year the paper reported that with the success of the LGW route that new nonstop service to CDG or FRA is a high possibility. The only way these will happen is if the expansion goes through and CO can free up some 767's for these routes. Maybe a good codshare could bring in some widebodies, but CLE is at the mercy of the expansion. It could be some time, but CLE will see some heavies like CVG and PIT in the future.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 4:19 pm

UA brings/brought 767s in to CLE. Also, this time last year, there was a DC-10 that overnighted there.

I would not be against a UA flight from SFO to CLE daily. A 757 could do the trip, or even a 767 depending on the loads.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Fri Feb 23, 2001 9:41 pm

CLE-LGW with a 762 and CLE-CDG with a 752 or 762 are both in the works and should be implemented within the next few years. If a CLE-NRT route ever comes to fruition, which it likely won't, it would be operated by a 762. The 777 is not going to be in there for a while on scheduled services.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:56 am

I can't wait until Cleveland-Paris gets underway! But it looks like no 767-200s for Gatwick until the new runway gets completed. Does anyone know if Continental plans to serve Mexico City from CLE, or PanamaCity to connect to Copa? Maybe a thrice weekly 757 to Honolulu in the summer to connect to Guam and the Pacific.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sat Feb 24, 2001 6:54 am

I doubt there will ever be a flight to HNL. I can't a imagine them flying to any Central America destinations from CLE. The Carribiean would be more logical. They already have flights to Cancun and San Juan. So this seems to make more sense.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sat Feb 24, 2001 10:21 am

Does El Al still do a 747 charter out of cleveland. Also didn't British Airways inagurate 767 CLE to I think either Manchester or Heathrow (guess they must have chopped it)
and as much much as I love the 737 and ERJ-145 they are waaaaaaaay to common at CLE  Sad
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sat Feb 24, 2001 10:27 am

I remember seeing pics of the El Al at KCLE. I know what you mean with the 73's and 145's, a bit more variety would be nice. It would also be nice to see some more variety in carriers. I would love to see Jet Blue or Midway (I hear Midway doesn't care too much for flying into hubs). We will see what happens when the whole runway thing is played out.

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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sat Feb 24, 2001 11:04 am

I think Cleveland really has the potential to bring in some more long haul flights, even without CO's hub activity, based on the large O&D market that CVG and PIT does not have, that was one of the chief reasons BA pulled Pittsburgh. But until CO gets a few more 767s and 777s to free up some 762s and 752s the additional service will be in the future. Newark and Houston will still get first dibs on longhauls. But CLE will have its day, it is still my favorite CO hub.

Ishky, the 757 wouldn't be able to make it to Honolulu from Cleveland.
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sat Feb 24, 2001 11:09 am

I still think CLE-LGW will get the 767-200 by the end of this year.

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RE: DeltAirlines

Sat Feb 24, 2001 9:41 pm

Gordon Bethune has personally stated that Cleveland-London is at the bottom of the list for 767-200 service. They have a shortage of these aircraft temporarily, but in a few years or so they will not. For example, Buenos Aires, which is slated to be a 767-200, will most likely be upgraded to a 767-400 if the loads are good. This will free up TWO 762s. The only reason the route is being served by a 767-200 when it gets launched in Decmeber is because its the only type of aircraft available. Once more 767-400s come available, maybe other 767-200 markets will be upgraded to, like EWR-BRU, because Sabena has recently left the market. But for now, widebodies are at a shortage, with the only ones up for grabs 762s. Only two 764s are being delivered this year, but there's still 18 more in 2002 and after.

Also, there really is not a gigantic rush to put a 767-200 on the CLE-LGW route. It holds the same capacity as a 757, except with more BusinessFirst seats and less Economy seats. Although it would be very appreciated if Continental put a 767-200 on the route, people will just have to continue flying a narrowbody. And if they have that much of a problem, well they can connect through Newark or take United.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sun Feb 25, 2001 2:16 am

I remember seeing a Condor DC-10 take off from Cleveland about 10 years back when I was driving by.

What about when they haul Shamoo the Killer Whale out of Sea World in the winter to take him down south, then when they bring him back up in the spring. What do they fly him on?
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sun Feb 25, 2001 2:40 am

I didn't think they used KCLE for the transport of the killer wales.

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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:33 am

does UPS fly jumbos or just there 727 and 757 out of Cleveland don't remember seeing one thou. I think Fed-Ex flys the DC-10??????
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sun Feb 25, 2001 10:47 am

Gordon and Greg flatly stated in October that the 762 will NOT go on CLE-LGW until the new runway is built, and that won't be at least till the middle of '02 now, since the suburbs are fighting it tooth and nail. One other problem as CO sees it, is that CLE charges something like $3.72 per every 1000 lbs on landing-that's about as much as in EWR. Compare to CVG-which charges 96 cents per 1000lbs. That's another reason CO is in no hurry-the rate that CLE charges is going to go down in 2 years-I'll bet then you'll see the 762 on that route.

I highly doubt you will EVER see a 777 on anything out of CLE, unless CO runs a flight CLE-EWR-Somewhere in Europe. I think the 764 is the biggest ship that will come in here at any time (scheduled).

As for Shamu, he's gone from CLE for good. Six Flags bought Sea World Ohio, and Sea World is history here. Six Flags is gonna open it's own marine theme park in Aurora, east of CLE, this summer. Too bad.
 
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RE: Jumbo Jets At CLE

Sun Feb 25, 2001 11:28 am

The reason there are a no widebodies (passenger) at CLE because there is not a need for them...yet.
Eventually CLE-LGW will be operated by a widebody. Hope to see more heavies and Cleveland in the future!
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