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AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 11:07 pm

Hi there.

I have a question that is bothering me for a long time now.

four months ago I made a American Airlines flight from Newark to London Heathrow. now my question is, what type of aircraft does AA use on this route ???

does anyone knows ? please help.

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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 11:23 pm

American uses an Airbus A-300 on the route from Newark to London Heathrow. Once more 777s become available, it will probably be replaced, a most of the JFK and Chicago flights have been already.

American Airlines also flies Airbus A-300s to San Juan, Puerto Rico from Newark.
 
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 11:26 pm

Thanks mate.

I can sleep again  Smile LOL
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 12:45 am

as well as BOS-LHR with a-300.
at least last time i checked

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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:31 am

Which flights to LHR from JFK are on 777's?
 
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:33 am

Hi Critter
UA AA and BA use 777s on LHR JFK
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:51 am

I've flown EWR-LHR on a 763 before.
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 2:33 am

It alternates alot between a 767-200 and a A-300. Most of the time it's a A-300.

Don't look for a AA 777 on that route,I think the A-300s will be around a little while longer. If anything it may go to a 767-300,but the A-300 has more cargo capacity (I think).

If or when CAL is allowed into LHR AA's EWR-LHR flight would probably be moved somewhere else.

UAL might stick it out in EWR even if CAL was awarded the six LHR frequencies they want.

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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:02 am

JFK-LHR/LGW
BA: 744, 763(LGW)
AA: 762, A300, 777, 763
UA: 763

EWR-LHR/LGW:
CO: 764(LGW), 777(LGW)
BA:777
AA: A300
UA: 777

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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:05 am

When and if we get the LHR frequencies, the 777 used on EWR-LGW will likely be placed temporarily on EWR-LHR and have EWR-LGW go double daily 767-400. Once more 777s are ordered, LGW would get back a 777 frequency. From what I hear, the British are closer to making our dream of slots a reality at LHR, partly because we were the only US airline willing to open a frequency to STN. All major carriers were asked, and all except us declined. That put us on better terms with the higher-ups across the pond, and I hear we are at the top of the waiting list of US airlines (if thats any consolation!). All this probably explains why we cant get out of that Virgin code-share deal fast enough.
 
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:13 am

I can't wait until Continental is allowed into Heathrow. New York-Stansted will really put pressure on the British Government to let us in, and even if they don't, it's still a win-win situation for Continental, as I've heard that Stansted is a great facility, and many Americans will opt for this flight as they can get a cheap connecting flight on Ryanair.
 
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:16 am

To 777qk who stated that "That put us on better terms with the higher-ups across the pond, and I hear we are at the top of the waiting list of US airlines (if thats any consolation!)."

Hate to burst your bubble... But, there is no waiting list for slots at Heathrow... Unless you are currently authorized to fly in and out of Heathrow, you can't get into the queue for more slots or lease slots from an alliance partner...

When Continental is finally allowed to fly to Heathrow, I also wouldn't expect more than two daily frequencies to start. That is about as many as non-incumbent carriers got at Narita after the most recent US/Japan bilateral. The British will probably promise more, just as the Japanese did, to make a deal happen that gives BA and AA anti-trust immunity. But, like the Japanese, the British won't release the requisite number of slots that the non-incumbent carriers need to start all the new services. As the Japanese did, the British will claim that Heathrow is after all a slot-constrained airport.

Then, everyone seems to assume that Continental will get a slot for a flight to Heathrow from Newark or elsewhere that is competitive with AA's slots from Newark or elsewhere... Welcome to the airline game. It just doesn't happen that way. You get what is available, not what AA or UA currently have. Both AA and UA have traded slots for years with other foreign carriers in order to acquire the most advantageous arrival and departure times. When you have a large number of slots, and operate out of a number of geographically distinct gateways, like both AA and UA, trading slots is easy, because there is always something you have that somebody wants. When you have only four slots for two daily frequencies, you're the wallflower of the ball.

I've contended before that AA operates a LHR flight out of Newark, because this is how it leverages a strategic asset against Continental which over the last five years has claimed that it is the largest airline in New York. Domestically that may be true, but AA's Newark flight to Heathrow is a constant reminder to Continental that AA is the largest US carrier to and from London Heathrow in the NY Area. That will probably not change even under a new US/UK bilateral.


 
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 8:13 am

American uses the A300 on the EWR-LHR flight and on occasion, switches to the B767-200ER. For now, I do
not think AA will change the aircraft assigned to this
route.

United flies the 777. BA has double daily 777's and
Virgin fly a 747-400.

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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:03 pm

Whoa wait a second there Ladevale,

A couple of quick points,

First the administration in Washington is not the same administration that negotiated the Narita deal,trust me CAL,DAL and the labor union lawyers will not let Japan or Britain hold up anything.

Japan has a new albeit short runway in the works at Narita,when that opens there will be more room.

Also Britain will eventually have to open up Heathrow or face a trade war where the US can ban flights from LHR to the US,who do you think would be hurt the most if the US Gov't banned all LHR-NY flights.

AA,CAL,DAL,and UAL have survived and been very profitable without Heathrow flights for a long time,and although Heathrow provides a large amount of revenue to AA and UAL's bottom line if you take away their Heathrow flights they would still be profitable.

However just remove British Airways flights to JFK and I bet they go into the red over night (if they're not already operating in the red as it is).

AA and UAL can remain profitable without their JFK-LHR flights,the US domestic market is enormous. BA and European carriers are very dependent on Trans-Atlantic flights to provide much of their revenue,the European domestic market alone is not able to support any of them.

The US has the leverage,and if they're forced to use it BA loses.

There's no way around it.
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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:11 pm

However since BA has decided not to go with the A-380,and remains pretty loyal to Boeing penalizing them is not what the Bush administraion really wants to do.

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Ladevale

Mon Feb 26, 2001 3:31 pm

I would agree with you except that no deal will get done unless BA/AA divest some slots at Heathrow to go to competitors (like CO). How many slots, etc., is perhaps the biggest bone of contention here, but I don't think any deal will get done without them sacrificing some slots.

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RE: AA Flight EWR To LHR Question?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 5:00 pm

Whoa there Ladevale.............
Continental doesn't need to worry about being the largest airline in the New York area....they are the largest!!!! Domestically and Internationally.
Yes, its true that AA has more flights to LHR, but that doesn't bother CO that much, because they have seats on all VS aircraft from EWR and JFK to LHR!!
AA wishes they were as large as CO in NY...and while we're at it, they wish they were as good an airline as we are!
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