sdate747
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Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Mon Feb 26, 2001 4:18 pm

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If they sold 6 of their own planes wouldn't that put a major dent in their fleet? What would they be replaced by?
 
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Mon Feb 26, 2001 8:27 pm

I heard 4 of them will be scrapped to keep the other two flying, or was it the other way around ??
 
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Mon Feb 26, 2001 8:31 pm

There is going to be a major annocuncement later in the year about fleet allocation etc. The lease on the CX 743's is up at the end of April so lets keep watching this space. Maybe Airmale has more info?
 
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Mon Feb 26, 2001 9:06 pm

I think they should lease some of the old BA 744s.
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Mon Feb 26, 2001 10:30 pm

I heard 4 planes is for sale and 2 planes will be scrapped .
Is AP-AYV/W and AP-BCL/M/N/O wfu or in services
for hadj flight`s ?
 
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:06 am

I guess they´ll keep the two GE-powered Combis that are "only" about twenty years old, scrap at least two of the old -200Bs and sell of the rest to some kind of "Tower Air". All 6 are so old (nearly 30 years) that its unlikely that someone will convert them to freighters.
The idea of PIA getting some surplus 744 of struggling BA seems to be very smart. But I guess that prolonging the lease of the ex-CX 747-300s could also be a good (money-saving) idea because the -300 is the least sought-after Jumbo-Jet type today. I´ve heard that PIA is quite pleased with them, so why should they return them? They are painted in full livery and integrated in the fleet.
 
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:14 am

Had a nice flight on a PIA 747-200B with P&W engines from Dubai to Heathrow, great food if I recall. It was boiling in Dubai and we flew with the nose in the air at about 2,000 ft, barely accelerating and not climbing at all. We crossed the city and kept going for ages with the flaps still at the take-off setting. Felt like we were hanging in midair by a thread. I guess it was the heat but I had a similar experience in a three-quarters empty P&W powered Virgin 747-200 out of Gatwick so maybe the type is a little underpowered compared to the 777 et al (see the 'twins vs quads' argument about thrust:weight ratios).
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Tue Feb 27, 2001 2:19 am

I agree that the idea of them getting some of the 12 surplus BA 747-400s would be a good idea. These aircraft would be perfect replacements for their current 747-200/300 fleet and are still relatively young. Boeing would most likely be willing to make the deal as BA is looking to order 777-300ERs and trade in the 747-400s as part of the order.
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:55 pm

Thats news! of what I know PK are selling two 747-200 and two 707-300F while two 747-200s are going to be scrapped Smile

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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:56 am

Why are they selling off the aircrfats 20-30 yers arn't that much? (atleast i would love to fly an old 747 Big grin )

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thud
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:41 am

STG 747-300,
if you have ever flown on one of these, you will understand why they are being retired. They are old, decrepid and pushing the edge of airworthiness.

Thank God they have the 300 on the Lahore-Heathrow route
 
AY-MD11
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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:55 am

i had similar thing happened to me when i was on KLM 747-300 it looked to me like the plane would not want to climb at all..but when on the AF 744 the plane seemed to have more than enough power for takeoff!!both flight were great!  Smile


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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Wed Feb 28, 2001 4:47 am

AY-MD11: This is maybe a little off topic, but how was the Kl 743? I'm going to fly one soon and are looking very forward to it (love the 743, you know)

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RE: Pakistan Intl. Selling Off 6 747 200's

Mon Mar 05, 2001 2:52 pm

if u had ever flown on one of there old aircrafts u'd know exactly why they are selling them--they currently operate 2 in the combi configuration--registration #s AP-BAK, AP-BAT--which i think that they are planning to hold on to, but in my opinion they should sell those two as well (they are the only 2 that they might be able to sell--without giving the buyer the feeling of being ripped off), the other 6 747's should be junked in arizona!!!! Those 6 are flying death traps!!
I think leasing the old BA 747-400s are a good idea, but the PIA passengers will most probably destroy those as they are destroying the current ex-cathay machines!!!!

PIA needs an entire overhaul from the administration--to the mechanics to the cleaners--they need to downsize and then maybe they might regain some of the respect that they have lost over the years.

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