hkgspotter1
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757-300 - What A Flop .

Mon Feb 26, 2001 11:00 pm

With 13 at Condor and 2 at Arkia that makes a big total of 15 in service , WOW !!

Two years in service and only 15 aircraft !, whats wrong with this plane ???
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Mon Feb 26, 2001 11:02 pm

JMC have ordered 2 or 3, and CO and NW have both placed fairly large orders for the a/c I believe. Theres nothing wrong with the a/c , just slow in selling as airlines such as BA are getting smaller a/c.
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Mon Feb 26, 2001 11:02 pm

Has been ordered by CO and American Trans Air as well.
Definately not a great success anyway you r right.
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Mon Feb 26, 2001 11:09 pm

It's not *yet* a success, but I wouldn't be too quick to call it a flop. Remember the 757-200 also got off to a relatively slow start with only Eastern and BA (and, I believe Monarch) ordering it at first. Now it is the only aircraft type that all major US airlines operate and every carrier has them in fairly substantial numbers.

I would think the 757-300 would be enormously popular with charter operators (like Condor) and the CO and NW orders may be the ticket to jump start its sales.

Just my $.02.

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Mon Feb 26, 2001 11:59 pm

This a/c does not have to be a total success to bring cash for Boeing! The 753 was not started from scratch and only involved 1 or 2 extra plug sections, and did not cost tons to develop. I would not call it a "flop". Look at the recent CO and NW orders. Expect more.
-Tom
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:08 am

I think FI also has ordered a few 753.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:08 am

I always wondered why they launched it anyway? Confused
If you want a bigger than a B752, but still the same kind of aircraft surely you would buy a B762 or B763.

Are the economics really that better on a B753 over a B762?? Nuts
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:27 am

Yes, the economics seem to be better. But thats it. I agree, the 753 is not really a sales success and most probably never will (and I hope so, because its one of the worst airliners for the passenger to fly with). That Condor replaced the comfortable DC-10s with these ugly, cramped and relatively uncomfortable Narrowbodies shows that the airlines using them don´t care about the pax (I used this word instead of passenger because it fits more here).
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:42 am

Actually, its all about caring for the passengers.

An airline exists to make a profit and you can only make a profit by selling seats on an airplane at more than it takes to fly that airplane (RASM - CASM = PrASM).

A 757-300 is cheaper to buy and cheaper to fly than any equivalent sized aircraft (Airbus or 767). It may less comfortable to the passengers compared to other aircraft, but because its operating cost is lower, the cost of tickets on that airplane will be lower.

Most passengers still fly where they can get the cheapest ticket. Therefore, they are willing to accept less than optimal seating to get the good price.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:46 am

From Boeing's site "The Boeing 757-300 has the lowest seat mile operating cost of any single-aisle airplane on the market…". From what I recall, Boeing developed it at the behest of charter carriers.

Orders so far are from Iceland Air, Condor, Northwest, ATA, JMC, Arkia Israeli Airlines and Continental.

See http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757-300/history.html

Sunil
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:50 am

The 757-300 started slowly but now is gaining many important order by major airlines.
I am sure the 15 CO orders and the 18/20 NW orders are only the first of a long list.
The 753 is well suited for charter airlines too and it is likely to be ordered by big European Charter Operators, and indeed it has been acquired by Condor and JMC.
If you add that Lufthansa is evaluating it to replace A310 and British Airways may order it as they are reducing capacity, well, I won't call it a flop.

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:53 am

Seasonendflyer,
you´re arguments are exactly the reason why I´m sure the huge A380 will be a success. That´s the aircraft that can really bring big profits because it will have excellent seatmile-costs - while still offering the best comfort possible in the air (contrary to the cattlecarrier 753).
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:56 am

The 753 is very slow so far, just like the 736 and the 717.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:02 am

Airlines that have the 757-300 on order from the Boeing site:
AMERICAN TRANS AIR 10

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES 15

ICELANDAIR 2

JMC AIRLINE 2

NORTHWEST AIRLINES 18
Brian
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 2:43 am

Arkia and Condor ordered several, but their planes have already been delivered.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 3:59 am

I think it will go on to sell a few. OK, it does not look as good as the 752 simply because it looks too long, but airlines don't order a/c because they look pretty or cute (as one lady I knew once described the 732).

As for the arguements about the a/c being cramped and uncomfortable, I don't buy this. OK, it can't compete with a widebody for space onboard, but it is no different to the 707, 727, 737 and the 752. They all have the same cross section, and the A320 series is only a few inches wider.

It also depends on who you fly with too. Charter carriers will cram the a/c with seats, but the likes of CO and NW shouldn't be as bad.

I have flown on the 767 with charter carriers and I found them to be more uncomfortable than a charter configured 757 with 225 seats.

Don't judge the 753 too soon, you may be surprised at how many Boeing will end up selling.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:02 am

Seems as if HKGspotter doesn't have a big clue of aviation industry... just look at his first post. Man, you need to check first - then bash.  Big grin

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:16 am

The orders for this aircraft are yet to come but Condor isn't very happy because of the long fuselage. the problem occurs when the aircraft must be unloaded and loaded very fast.When Lufthansa tested the aircraft for it A300-600 replacement on domestic routes they weren't satisfied with it
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:22 am

What is really stupid here are people who judge an aircraft after it’s only existed for a few years or sometimes before it has ever flown. i.e. A380. Before any of us can judge the 757-300, lets give the aircraft between 10-15 years in service to see if it’s really a flop. As for the A380, lets wait until the dang thing is really flying before we label it the world’s greatest aircraft. Right now, it’s a "paper airplane".

Ok, maybe “computer airplane” would be a better term.  Nuts
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:25 am

I think it's very premature to call the 753 'uncomfortable'. One of the least comfortable rides I had was on a DL 777 that was incredibly cramped in coach. If I were to post a topic about the incredible discomfort of the 777, I'd get flamed hardcore.

This stems from plane envy syndrome I think -- widebodies are always better, and airlines should always fly widebodies on every route because they're always better, regardless of seat-mile costs, loads, etc... That's not how the real world works.

Boeing may not sell 3,000 753s, but it's all about bang for the buck. If they can make a lot of money on a relatively small investment, more power to them...
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:27 am

Well said, Notarzt, but I would correct this: check first - and still never bash (of course, if you are an enthusiast, not a biased jealous kid). I liked another post too, where some guy compared A380 by comfort to a 757... Probably the first one of this kind here!  Smile
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 4:31 am

In my opinion it would be a good idea for AA to buy the 757-300 . They must soon replace the A300 and I think that the 753 is of better choice than a 764 . But anyway AA at the moment is bot planning to buy any of these 2 aircraft type . But lets rememver that the A300's are becoming oddballs in the AA fleet.
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 5:16 am

Not all aircraft can sell 2000 aircraft-everyone here expects this from the 753-just because it hasnt sold that many doesnt mean its a failure...

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 5:32 am

Way too early to describe the 757-300 as a flop. In its early days the 737-100/200 was a slow seller and it was almost dropped. Look where the 737 is now: best selling airliner of all time! Has anybody on this post actually flown on a 757-300? I think its best to fly on a plane before judging its worth and comfort.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 7:45 am

Deskdriver, the 753 is cheaper to operate because it does not have containers (=less maintenace costs), and can be off- and onloaded with manpower only (=less ground handling fees).
You don`t have to care if the airport has the equipment to handle containerised aircrafts and you don`t need a bunch of empty containers at every airport you serve.

Adria,
you are right, it is a big minus take it takes quite long time to turn around a 753, especially when the entire load is in the rear compartments, but Condor was so clever to install the conveyor-like leather belts form Scandinavian Bellyloading to reduce the manpower to just one up there.
Arkia doen`t have that system so you need at least three poeple in the comparment.

CC32
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:17 am

well NA,

you must not be a aviation buff, if you were you would appreciate the 757's elegant lines, she's a beauty.
have you ever flown in one? It has great performance and she can sure climb.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:55 am

it may have to do w/ the U.S as well as global economic slowdown antipated in the next few years. Airlines are now taking spectaculating position on the future econ. before they place any order for fleet renewal.
Also, it doesn't cost Boeing tonnes of dollars to develop 753. 753 is just a stretch ver. derivated for 752. So, it would be still profitable to build it. In addition, Boeing is doing so called Niche Marketing. 753 is NOT built to earn a big share of the mkt, it is just built as a supplement to airlines' existing 757/767 fleets. Also, 753 is built to grab some market share from A321 by providing more efficient and higher pax cap. than A321.

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 9:03 am

The 753 many be slow selling, however, it WILL take-off and it WILL be one of Boeings BEST SELLERS.
You mad Bro???
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 9:10 am

"Cattlecarrier 753".......Hmmmm, It's from my observation that some people here just don't have a clue what they are talking about. People just think because the 753 is a long plane, it must a real piece of crap to ride in. Some people just don't think.
And has LH decided on the 753 yet, from a reliable source? Last I heard they were still looking over the results, and they liked what they saw. Quite different from what our friend Adria says.
The best, Tom
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:41 pm

Tom,

I can confirm the reports that Lufthansa was quite happy about the test operations they made.

Daniel
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:32 pm

i´d like to concur with notarzt and king767, that LH was very happy with its feasibilty study about the 757-300.
unlike adria stated, sorry, fella  Wink/being sarcastic the 757-300 is not too long for condor because they do manage to turnaround the plane within one hour which is one of the main reasons why LH is looking very closely at the 753. their fleet of 300/310s have two aisles and so they can be turned around quite fast and during their 4 week trial in november with one of condor´s 753, LH managed as well to turnaround the plane within one hour.

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:41 pm

I can't understand why people hate particular types of aircraft because they were "cramped". Yell at the airlines for this, not the aircraft. 30-31 inches of seat pitch is cramped no matter what the type aircraft.

Yes the takeoff performance of the 752 is impressive. It's the closest thing to a rocket i've been on yet.

Airlines care about making money. This aircraft (753) will do that for them. Once the word is out, look for orders of these aircraft to rise sharply.
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:45 pm

The Boeing 757-300 is NOT a flop.

The reason is real simple: the development costs to build the 753 is very cheap, essentially adding a few fuselage plugs plus possibly upgraded engines. Boeing only flew the 753 for a few months before it got FAA/JAA certification.

It cost Boeing a LOT more to certify the 767-400ER. That's because not only was the plane has extra fuselage plugs, but there was also the issues of a new interior, new cockpit, and a modified wing with raked wingtips to consider. That's why the 764ER test program took nearly a year to complete.

I think right now both UA and AA are seriously looking at the 753 as 767-200 replacements. If UA and AA decide to buy the 753 expect pretty substantial orders, like over 30 planes for each airline.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:14 am

I expect Boeing to sell atleast more than 1000 or 2000 aircraft. AA was suposed to be ordering more considering for narrow bodies they want to be an all 737/757 fleet.
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:49 am

Another Boeing prejudiced comment by who else... Hkgspotter1! Back to the topic! Ok... 15 in 1998... 45+ in 2000-2001. I always see this from Hkgspotter1... such as the topic... Boeing not doing well... 767-400 was a flop.. etc etc etc
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:52 am

Flashmeister: I agree with you that people on here want widebodies on everyflight.

I will even admit that I was momentarily dissapointed that NW went for the 757-300 to replace the DC10s.

But I think the aircraft will have a standard seating conifig. making it no more or less cramped that say a 737, 757-200, or yes even a Delta 777.

Calling the 757-300 a cattle car is ridiculous. The way the airline configures the plane and the way the airline run the operation in general determine this. A 757-300 with a 32" pitch and assigned seating with a coordinated boarding process is much nicer than a 737-300 with a 31-32" pitch with a method of boarding that truly does resemble cattle hurding.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:08 am

Personally, I like widebodies because they tend to offer more first/business class seating (good for upgrades). I like the 757 a lot, though, and it should be a successful plane. However, if it is replacing 767s or DC-10s with Business class, it can make a lot of business people unhappy. But for anybody who calls it cramped (and you know who you are), it is an airline's decision on how to configure. An AA 757-300 would have the MRTC standard on all aircraft, just as an ATA 757-300 will have cramped, charter type seating.

And the people saying this have probably never even flown on one...

My $.02
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:25 am

I doubt you can consider the 757-300 a flop if it has 50% of the currently unfilled orders for 757's (according to Boeing's website, there are 94 unfilled 757 orders; the orders listed above are for 47 757-300's).

The 757-300 is good for Boeing in several ways: It was inexpensive to develop since it's just a stretch of the 757-200. It has the same type rating as the rest of the 757/767 family which makes it attractive to airlines. It is a product for which Airbus offers *no* competitor. It can enhance sales of the 757-200 since airline customers know they have a growth path. Moreover it has very low per-seat operating costs.

The plane is *not* too long - it's actually very similar in size and range to the DC8-60, which was quite successful.
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 4:42 am

Scott- I am glad somebody else has picked up on the fact that the 757-300 looks and is designed to fill the same role as the DC-8 Super 60.

Everyone- Actually I think the benefit of the 757 is that it can offer a lot of domestic first class seats. NW does not have a domestic 3-class product, which few airlines offer. If the entire front cabin is used for f/c typically 20-24 seats are fitted. I don't know if the front cabin is any bigger on the 753, but it still allows for a sizable f/c cabin... certainly domestic DC-10s or 767s don't have more than 25 f/c seats anyways.

Ray- I am not completely sure that, at least United, would replace the 762 with the 753. My reasoning here is that the 767-200s are used on the premium trans-con service with a 3-class set up and only 160 or so seats. Thr 757-300 would be a big jump in capacity and would lose the ability to fit three-classes in there, though I imagine it could be pulled off. Or UA and AA would create a new premium transcon product.
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Anyone Even Been On One?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 5:04 am

Has anyone been on this airplane?
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 5:12 am

Actually NW domestic DC10-40s that are being replaced by the 757-300s now seat 42 in first class, up from 34 in previous years. I think the 757-300s by NW will probably have about 30 fc seats. But, that is just a best guess.
 
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RE: VirginA340

Wed Feb 28, 2001 5:16 am

What do you mean by " selling at least 1000 to 2000 of aircraft"? If you mean 753 only, it is not possible. There are still less than 2000 747 (incl. both classics and 744) since its production in the 60s. Therefore, 753 can be sold for more than a thousand.

The following stated earlier in this topic:

"Boeing is doing so-called the Niche Marketing. 753 is NOT built to earn a big share of the mkt, it is just built as a supplement and replacement to airlines' existing 757/767 fleets. Also, 753 is built to grab some market share from A321 by providing more efficient, more range and higher pax cap. than A321."

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 9:53 am

Well this was a hit topic !!

Fact is a fact this is a very slow selling aircraft.
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2001 9:57 am

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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:24 am

Changes from the 757-200 to the 757-300:

1. Fuselage lengthened by 23 feet, 4 inches (7.1 m).
2. New interior with vacuum lavatories (737NG type interior).
3. New tires, wheels, and brakes (to cope with the higher weight).
4. Tailskid to prevent overrotation.
5. Strengthening in the wings and landing gear.
6. Max takeoff weight increased to 273,000 lbs.

I speculate that the first 15-20 aircraft will cover the development costs, and the rest of the 753's sold will be profit (minus the expense of the airframe, of course).

Why does Alexinwa say that the 753 WILL takeoff and WILL be one of Boeing's best sellers? It won't ever happen. Sorry, Alexinwa, but you're dreaming (or joking around).
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:39 pm

Remember sales of the 757-200 started out real slow too, look at it now
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:41 pm

For the exact reasons stated before. Airlines that may have been a little weary of this A/C at first, are now understanding what a remarkable plane it is. I saw that Condor is ruuning it at about a 98.7 efficent rate. With the lowest fuel burn and the increase in pax, it WILL take off. I'm pretty sure that the 767/777/744 and 330/340/380 family are selling slightly (Uh just a little) slower than the narrow-bodies. Wonder why??? Airlines want more flights on smaller A/C, the 753 as I said before will fit every need. It WILL take off!!!!
You mad Bro???
 
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RE: This Is Unbelievible!

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:46 pm

Hkgspotter1 and other Boeing haters,

I have only FIVE things to say to you...

GIVE BOEING SOME DAMN TIME

THE 767-400 AND 757-300 HAVE ONLY BEEN FOR SELL FOR A FEW MONTHS

NEW AIRLINES ARE STARTING TO ORDER BOTH

IF YOU ASK ME, 50+ 767-400S IS A DAMN GOOD NUMBER FOR A FEW MONTHS OF SELLING

THE 757-300 IS ONLY GETTING STARTED, JUST WAIT...
 
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:17 pm

remember a 744 takes a longer period of time(and more space in the hanger) to build than a 753 so 2000-3000 could be built faster. I suspect you are right about not building that many though. I'll speculate and say that the 753 will be a reasonable success. To me Airlines that may well consider it(some for added capacity,others to replace 762) are
AN/NZ(part of a larger order),PH,FJ( a size up from 737s),LH, even BA(perhaps)
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RE: 757-300 - What A Flop .

Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:01 pm

I rather fly on a wide body then to fly on a long narrow body plane .. Just imagine how much time wasted when the passengers board and alight the plane ... nahh B757-300 wont do the job .. i go for widebodies like B767 or A330 !!

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