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UA And USAirways' Fleet

Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:44 pm

So if UA get US Airways, which is looking more and more like it will happen thanks to the whole AA/TWA thing, I know they plan to give AA all the Fokker 100's that US Airways owns. Any other ideas on changes they will make?
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RE: UA And USAirways' Fleet

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:37 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if United did a whole lot of buying ,trading and selling of airplanes once they get US Air. The problem is, there is VERY little fleet commonality between the two. Even though US has a lot of A320 series, they have different engines than UAL. Same with the 757s, 767s, maybe 737s. Maybe United will buy a bunch of new engines instead. I suspect that the MD-80s will be gone quickly, and the A330s...well, there's been lots of discussion about that....not probably going to be painted in UAL colors, but probably leased or sold to someone else. United doesn't want to have 20 different types of airplanes, especially when the competition has only has four or five types. They've got something figured out, bet on it! I wouldn't be surprised to see a HUGE order within a few months of deal closing.

Although, this is all just speculation....

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RE: UA And USAirways' Fleet

Wed Feb 28, 2001 12:50 am

Question: how much does it cost to re-engine a plane? With the large proportion of the fleet (less than half, but still not insignificant) having different engine types, would it be cheaper to have a maintenance program for each engine type or to put new engines on?
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RE: UA And USAirways' Fleet

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:24 am

For older jets, it costs much more than the value of the plane to put a new engine on it. This simply won't be done.

The engine issue isn't an issue for the 320 series jets though. UA currently has a large fleet of CFM56 on its 737 fleet (the only engine offered on 737s other than the -200, which all have Pratts.) The CFM56 on the US 320 jets are not identical, but are very very close and share parts with the CFM56 that UA already services and knows how to repair.

MD80s? Perhaps AA will pick up the few remaining. Or, more likely, you'll see them as Pepsi cans soon.

RE: UA And USAirways' Fleet

Wed Feb 28, 2001 6:18 am

I bet that UA trades the US Airways RR RB211 powered 757-200s, Fokker F100s, & GE CF6 powered 767-200s to AA in exchange for TWA's P&W powered 757s & 767s.
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RE: UA And USAirways' Fleet

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:54 am

United is planning on trading some of US Airways 757s and their pilots for some TWA 757s and their pilots. UA will trade 21 757s and lease 11 to AA, so that AA operates all of US Airways's 757s. There are similar numbers for the F100, and the MD-80. UA will retain ownership of some of them, but lease them out.
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RE: UA And USAirways' Fleet

Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:50 am

Roots Air should take the A330's as they are PW 4068 Powered jets but that is only if they are going to dump them. I think that they would be a good investment for the new luxo Canadian Airline.

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