hkg_clk
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Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:15 am

I heard that some airlines are selling slots on their flight simulators to the public. Does anyone know how much they cost and which airlines do this? I am especially interested in airlines that do this in the UK.

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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:21 am

BA do it and for a quick ride (30 minutes) it cost around 200! If you know people you can do it for free!
Iain
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:33 am

Hi HK,

As far as I know, only BA offer the service through a company known as Virtual Aviation http://www.virtualaviation.co.uk

I flew the 744 simulator there in December-I won't go into how incredible it was-Just do it!

Some info:

-1 hour on the sim will set you back GPB570 approx. (if you want exclusive use)

-don't expect to have a real BA pilot sitting next to you on the First Officer seat (you're on the LHS). My First Officer was a Concorde pilot (even better!), and we had a lady from the Company (you may have seen her if you saw "Airport", when Jeremy from Aeroflot went on the sim.)

-These are the REAL thing, located at BA Training HQ's at Cranebank. It is a huge hangar-like building containing many sims representing the BA fleet.

-You can also choose to fly the 777 sim instead of the 744.

-I personally made two approaches into JFK and SFO (plus two departures), and zoomed under the Golden Gate bridge in San Francisco-fantastic!

-1 approach into an airfiled in Greenland (diversionary)

-Loos fairly dark outside!!

-You WILL be involved in a near-miss over JFK!! Big grin

-The 744 is VERY responsive, and thus easy to fly (in my very HUMBLEST of opinions, of course!)

-Very, very much worth it.

I can't REALLY afford what I paid (500+pounds), but as I have always wanted to be a pilot (for BA), and always, always wanted to go on a sim, the decision wasn't tough-I just did it!

And what a good time I had too. It's brilliant, go for it.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:36 am

United had a program in the past. Not sure if they still do it, though.

It was pretty extensive, choices included all of their current fleet and some retired ones (DC8, etc.) Depending on the aircraft and amount of time you spent in sim & groundschool, I think the cost was between $500 and $2000.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:46 am

Ah yes, I forgot to mention that "groundschool" on the BA sim day lasts about 15 minutes!

Basically it makes sure total morons know what they're doing to the a/c (sort of)!

Raising thrust levers to vertical, engaging autothrottle thereafter, V1, VR, toebrakes, PAPI lights, gear lever (upwards and outwards/downwards), landing speeds, Vref (the speeds etc. will be mentioned if you ask)

Incidentally, you can opt to turn the Flight Director bars off during TO and L (the pink bars on the PFD).
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:09 am

United offers sim rides, but the're pretty expensive

http://www.ualservices.com/buissupp_pilot.html
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:38 am

My uncle went down to Boeing's facility at BFI and paid something like $400/hour to use one of their sims. He had a really good time, though...
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 9:20 am

Get an engineering job in the simulation department of an aircraft manufacturer!  Smile
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 9:54 am

Bummer, I went to the website 777x included in his post, but you have to be 18 or older.  Crying That really stinks. Especially since I know there are people older than me that I could out fly. I'm old enough to observe, but why not fly it? I'm an expert on Flight sim and taller than some pilots (I'm 5' 8" and surely could meet the physical requirements that some 18 year olds could), what else would keep me from doing that? My grandmother works for Northrop, and has worked on the B-2, 747-100, F-18, and a few others. Some of her friends got to fly the B-2 sim, but they all crashed it  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. I would think they'd be more tight about civilians using military aircraft sims than commercial jet sims. I don't wanna wait 4 more years!!!!!!! If I knew a UAL pilot would it help? My mother works with someone who's brother is a UAL pilot. I'm wondering if that might make a difference? Dissapointing news  Crying from that site.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:05 pm

AeroGlobe,

If you know someone that works with UA, its always worth trying! I find the 18 year old rule strange, but it is their equipment, and they can therefore set their own regulations!
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:12 pm

I have Flown the F-16A-MLU Simulator at AFB Twenthe in the Netherlands. A relative of mine had set it up.
It was some sort of a birthday present  Smile

In one word. it was awsome Big grin
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 7:22 pm

Contact British Airways, there is even a british website that sells time for their simulators alongwith the schedule as to when and which simulator is free. I don't remember its url. Can anyone help?
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 8:42 pm

WHSmith are selling them as gifts at the moment, costs about £200 with 20 minutes flying time. There is a simulator in Harrogate - costs are similar.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:24 pm

UA is biased against us budding aviators-If their worried about "strength" I am 15 and have the stature of an adult over 18 5'11'' 150 lbs., and I think I could do it...I have a friend who used to fly DC-10's for AA, I think he was their chief DC-10 pilot back in the early 90's, have to get in touch with him Does BA have tis policy? I think if BA doesnt have this policy, and if I ever make it to England...hopefully I can persuade my parents that this is a worthwhile investment...

Greg
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:40 pm

Back when Canadian was separate from AC, you could buy simulator time in either YYZ or YVR using your Canadian Plus points. It cost like 40000 points for an hour. I don't know if they still do this or not.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Wed Feb 28, 2001 10:58 pm

USAF,

Check the link I provided at the top; minimum age for BA is 12.

BTW, I paid this out of my monthly allowance savings, and didn't tell my parents.....so they still don't know! Big grin
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:10 am

Flew a BAe146 sim at Dulles many years ago and it was, as everyone who has experienced one has said, AWESOME.

Took off from Rio Santos Dumont and missed Sugar Loaf mountain by a mile. Spoke to my friend who was in the training department at the time and he said that they were training the TABA pilots and he couldn't believe how many of them 'scraped' the cablecar station at the top of the mountain....boy did I feel like the mutts nuts!!

If you get a chance to go on a sim grab it with both hands.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:11 am

WELL THEN!!!!!

I got my one for free!!!!!

How??????

I won an essay competition 4 years ago. Wanted to be a pilot. I WON! Ha ha! Got an hour in a Monarch flight simulator at LTN and flew to LTN, HKG (KT), Innsbruck, some other place. I was excellent said the training person.

See? Essay!
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:23 am

Just out of interest, does anyone know how much one of those simulators costs to buy? The machine itself?
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:25 am

Virtual Aviation website quotes GBP10million.

I think that may be slightly out of my budget range.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:34 am

GBP10 million!??! Wow! Are they THAT realistic then? Well, I don't think I'll have much luck hinting to my wife that I'd like one of THOSE for Christmas then!!!
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:35 am


Lufthansa sells time in their sims for money or miles - but horrendous sums as well.
I spent two hours in their A340-300 sim at their FRA homebase in 1995. It was not that special, it is a great experience but from articles and stuff I´ve read before I had expected more (I think you NEVER forget this isn´t a real a/c). Except for a near miss with a 707 (!) over Berlin it was pretty boring: At that time, LH was starting flights to Quito and they trained every pilot flying into UIO on the sim first, because that airport must be rather diffucult. And they did that nearly all the time, on take off the other (OK, the aborted ones were rather interesting, one after a birdstrike in engine 1 and 2).

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:40 am

Capt.Picard - do you reckon they accept Mastercard?!!? Smile/happy/getting dizzy
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:49 am

Certainly Sir. We also accept Diners, American Express, and Visa for your convenience.
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 2:01 am

Oh well, in that case I'll take 2 of them (one for spares you see....). Smile
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Thu Mar 01, 2001 2:18 am

As Airsicknessbag mentioned above,
you can make a ride at LH´s simulators. I did one in 1998 in FRA at the LH-Base in a B742, making some holdings around FRA and approach (landing? don´t ask!!) to JFK,
duration was 3hrs. Costs about 350.-DM. You can also fly the A320 family ot the B737 in their training-centers in Berlin and Bremen. Narrowbodys are a littlebit cheaper than the widebodys.

Chris
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Sun Mar 04, 2001 4:57 am

Thank you for all the information. I have just booked a flight simulator ride from www.virtualaviation.com. It will be on a 747-400 simulator. I'm really looking forward to it! Any tips on how to get prepared for it? I really don't want to crash while I'm at the controls!
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Sun Mar 04, 2001 5:26 am




Sydneysider !!!

WHAT ? You only paid 350 DM ? I cant believe that! Do you know anyone there or what ? Thats extremely cheap. I read on a UA page that they want 2000USD for a 1 hour flight . It would be very nice of you if you could give me more info please. Maybe E-Mail me. Thanks in advance.

Patrick
 
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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Sun Mar 04, 2001 5:35 am

Well done boy, you're going to have a great time!!

My tips are: just fly the plane Big grin

Seriously though, don't be intimidated. It is an easy a/c to fly-be gentle with the controls, that's the most important thing.

On approach, if the PAPI lights indicate you are too high or low-don't panic. The pilot should help you out-but don't make any sudden movements. If you pull the yoke down too much, you are going to gain too much airspeed and will land too hard. Gently does it.

Similarly on rotation, firmly pull the yoke towards you, and don't slacken your "pull"; on reaching a 15* nose-up (or whatever you and the crew decide on), just make the necessary adjustments to keep the nose-up attitiude. It's easier than it sounds-if you find flying an a/c second nature, you won't really have any problems.

Typically, you'll probably visit JFK, SFO and HKG.

If you find an a/c in your vicinity, just keep an eye on it; if it gets dangerously close (as it did with me-with no TCAS warning either! Big grin ) you must be very firm with the yoke, and push/pull as appropriate.

The toebrakes (top of rudder peddles) are rather sensitive, so easy on them, unless while rolling-out at SFO, you find yourself rapidly running out of R/W!! The sight of the fuel depots at the end of the r/w should be enough to make you stop in time!

The pink lines on the PFD are the Flight Director bars. They are really not worth paying much attention to, for the purposes of the sim ride. Switch them off; there's a flip-switch on the glareshield. (Unless the wx is poor of course).

You can ask for thunderstorm activity (turbulence) if you want, but I just find it irritating after a while.

Fly by outside reference; in any case, it's more intreresting to keep your head up, and enjoy the approach into New York and San Francisco Bay.
Enjoy yourself, time will fly incredibly fast.

Main tip:

Gently does it.


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RE: Flight Similator Rides?

Sun Mar 04, 2001 7:08 am

http://www.britishairways.com/inside/biztobiz/flightsim/flightsim.shtml

I've had 3 hours at cranebank 1-767 1-777 1-747 , two times birthday/xmas prezzy one time i just had to go  Smile (747) .
It costs around £300 + vat per hour and is usually done after pilot training is finished for the day , after 11pm.
The maintainence guys take you up these days whereas my 1st go (two years ago) i had a captain take me and at that time they did sundays and early evenings.
As has been said "Just do it" it is awesome .
The last time in the 747 i asked to stick around heathrow and there i was lined up on 27R...... wooohoo!
Once you are comfortable with handling you can ask that you take total control and fly a visual circuit as i did and the satisfaction of taking off and landing unaided is, ...well !.
Make sure you get the L hand seat.
They usually use night enviroment as its less stressfull on the sim (saves the bulbs i spose) .
Hmm i'm getting itchy now  Smile 737 next time i think....

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