garuda
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KLM B747-200SUDs

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:15 pm

Just a few question regarding KLM's 747SUD's

# How many of KLM 747-200 were converted to SUD?
# Are they still in service (both, the freighter and passenger version)?
# In general, how can you differentiate between B747-300 and B747-100/200 with SUD modification?
# In adding the SUD kit, will it effect the performance of the airplane (range, payload, etc), other that increasing gross weight and capacity ?

Regards,
JA
 
garuda
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:18 pm

oopsss....forgot to put the pics.


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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:41 pm

10 conversions ..

PH-BUH,I,K,L,M,N,O,P,R & T
 
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Wed Feb 28, 2001 1:56 pm

Air France
F-BTDG B747-200SUD exUTA
F-BTDH B747-200SUD exUTA
Japan Airlines
JA8170 B747-100SR/SUD
JA8176 B747-100SR/SUD
 
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:05 pm

I thought 742SUDs are just the same as 743. I thought that the only diff. is that is built w/ bigger upper deck while SUD is converted.

hmm... I don't know too much, but I did have a 1:200 model KLM SUD in early 90s. I don't have it anymore.

regards
r panda

p.s. SUD has slightly higher econ. cruising speed. from .84 to .85.

 
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Thu Mar 01, 2001 12:42 am

Thx to all for the replies.

Red Panda: How come the SUD has higher econ. cruising speed than -300?? I thought both are similar in aerodynamic design..... Do correct me if I'm wrong

Regards,
JA
 
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:02 am

Here some pics before the conversion:


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Does the engines changed as well??
 
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs

Thu Mar 01, 2001 3:37 am

Answer to your second question:
PH-BUI and PH-BUH are freighters flying for KLM Cargo, if I'm not mistaken the PH-BUK will be retired this year (I think around April) as KLM will receive additional B747-400s. All others are still in service.

Answer to question three: virtually impossible (it's that I know which ones are SUD and which not)

As for the last question. Because the PH-BUI and PH-BUH are SUD, the payload as a freighter is less than a normal (converted) B747-200.

Regards
LJ
 
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RE: KLM B747-200SUDs; PH-BUK's Retirement

Thu Mar 01, 2001 4:17 am

Some people think (but i asked the photographer of the photo below and couldn't affirm it) that the PH-BUK will be sold. The photo below has as its remark that the plane will be sold.
Don't know what is true...

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Photo © Chris Weldy



(flew with this plane in July2000 from AMS-LAX)

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