Timbo
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Why Does The 747-400 Have Three APs?

Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:05 am

Does anyone know why the 747-400 has three autopilots? Here are some pics:

Here's a pic from a KLM 744:


Here's one from the PSS 747 for Flight Simulator 2000:


If anyone knows, please reply.
Thanks!
 
Mit
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RE: Why Does The 747-400 Have Three APs?

Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:18 am

Aircraft that perform Cat III ILS approaches ( which allow landing in very little to zero visibility) need three autopilots.

If the plane only had one autopilot, a failure at landing could be catastrophic. If it only had two, it could be difficult to quickly distinguish between the failed and working unit. But with three units, a single failure will leave you with two units still sending identical signals, making it easier to tell that they are functional.

Make sense?
 
Timbo
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RE: Why Does The 747-400 Have Three APs?

Fri Mar 02, 2001 9:56 am

Oh, ok, I understand. Thanks!

-Timbo
 
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RE: Why Does The 747-400 Have Three APs?

Fri Mar 02, 2001 10:52 am

Where can I find a 747-400 hand on for F2000?
 
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RE: Why Does The 747-400 Have Three APs?

Fri Mar 02, 2001 11:57 am

Actually, one of three APs(in a Cat IIIa/b) is used for maintaining Localizer and glide slope, one for the Auto-throttle, which only leaves one for back-up. I heard this over at the Tech/ops forum.

Tony,
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RE: Why Does The 747-400 Have Three APs?

Fri Mar 02, 2001 12:58 pm

The autopilot system on the 744 is a refinement of the system originally developed for the 75 and 76 family. They were developed as "triple redundant" for their anticipated roles and aircraft capability during the infancy of ETOPS operations. Only two autopilots are required for CATIIb operations. Both of the autoplilots work autonomously and with complete control over their components (read seperation of all systems ie autothrottles if embedded in the autopilot system, pitch, roll, yaw channels, pitch trim systems and the like) until the crew "couples" the autopilots. This is usually done by selecting the non flying autopilot to "command" also, and pressing the button which is usually labelled "land".

At that point quite alot of things begin to happen and both autopilots begin to fly their respective components independently, continously cross checking the other's performance for conflicts until touchdown. There are other things happening as well such as electrical system isolation etc.

The auto throttles on most aircraft are completely seperate from the autopilot systems so it is possible to fly with say the Nbr 1 A/P in command and the Nbr 2 Autothrottle system controlling the throttles. For a better idea of how others are setup take a look at the panels on say and L1011 (the first certified CAT IIIb transport category aircraft), the DC10-30, MD-11, or any of the earlier Airbus widebodies. Hope this helps and clears any confusion.

Brock