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Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 2:54 am

Hi fookies!

This may be discussed in the past. And I understand that the B 777s play a more and more important role for UAL.

The B 747-400s are also very important to UAL. And I do not expect them to go anytime soon.

However, they eventually have to retire. There are a few options for the replacement of the B 747-400s which include: B 777-300ER. B 747-400LR, B 747X or B 747X Stretch.

Will ALL of UAL's B 747s leave eventually? And no B 747s for UAL? I hope not. They need the capacity of a B 747-400 some how for some routes.

What do you guys think?  Smile
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 2:58 am

Could be...they are really looking at the 777-300ER.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 3:01 am

I think they should call Airbus and get a whole buncha A380s for 747-400 prices while they can. It just makes sense.
Now, if Airbus were to actually bid out what the A380 cost to produce, then they should go 777-300ER and get 3x as many as they had -400s and just up the frequencies.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 4:33 am

I was under the impression that the capacity of the 777-300 was pretty close to that of a 744... why would they need 3 times as many planes?
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 5:22 am

With no successor to the 747-400 (no, the 747-400LR doesn't count, I'm talking about a totally new plane) in the forseeable future (schematics don't count), eventually, if things stay the way they seem to be going, one day United may not have any more 747s. If things keep going the way they are going, when the time comes, if UA still wants a huge airplane, they may have to buy A380s, as that may be the only plane on the market for this group.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 6:06 am

Come on guys... do you really think that UA is going to be flying 747s forever??? I give them 30 more years at max, and then, who knows what options airlines will have to replace these 747-400 "classics"?
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 7:39 am

By the time UA finally start to phase out their 747-400 fleet, I think UA could either be buying the A380-800 or the proposed Boeing Blended Wing Body (BWB) airliner--this will be after 2013 or so.

And they will need such a big plane, especially for the very busy international trunk routes.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 7:56 am

Let me ask everyone a question...

Have you noticed a trend that most other carriers are switching to the 777 over the 747 for their long hauls? Delta, American, and Continental has. British Airways will be trading 12 744s for 773ERs. What does that tell you?
It tells you that airlines are cutting capacity...not adding it! But they are operating more flights at any given day...which actually adds capacity. UA is starting to do that on their routes as we speak. The only reason that the 747 is still at United is because it has 100 more seats than the 777, but its operating costs are a lot higher, than a 777. Believe me, UA will dump the 747 for the 777. The A380 is too big for the routes served by United. The only few that could use an A380 are SFO-NRT/HFK, SFO-LHR, and JFK-NRT. NOt many huh? The skies are not that full, and with new technology, planes can fly higher, faster and farther...which is the case of the 777. The 777 is the future of avaition, and it will always have a big and a welcome home at United.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:05 am

While it is true that for this decade UA will be better off buying more 777-200ER's and start buying the 777-300ER, they ARE going to need something larger than a 747-400 once those planes reach their retirement age after 2013.

Remember, the number of passengers continues to grow on international flights, and airport landing slot capacity is definitely NOT increasing at the majority of Australasian airports unless massive amounts of money to expand airport capacity is spent NOW. Even now, the 747-400's UA flies on routes to NRT, SEL, HKG, PEK, and PVG are running at capacity, and UA's trans-Atlantic flights to LHR are also running at capacity. Flying more frequencies is NOT going to work in the long run because of the landing slot limitation issue.

Henceforth, while UA's 777 fleet will work wonders for long flights from smaller population centers to Asia and Europe, for flights from JFK, ORD, DEN, LAX and SFO, there will be a need for a larger plane, like it or not. UA could fill this need with the Airbus A380-800, or wait for Boeing to develop the Blended Wing Body (BWB) flying wing capable of seating 800+ passengers on a three-class configuration.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:11 am

777s have a defect but are being fixed the prob. is that there isnt enought oxagen and people faint its air that = to 8000 ft. (that im used to)
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:17 am

UAL need 747's theres no doubt about it.

For example on the LAX-Australia route.
In 5 years QF will be flying brand spanking new Airbus A380's on the route. UAL need 744's or bigger on this route to compete.

Tim
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:30 am

RayChuang,

I think that the A380 would be way to big. There is a better chance of the 74XS before that plane.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:40 am

I was talking to a United A320 pilot around Christmas/Hannukah time 2000. I asked him if he thought UA would buy the 380. He said, "When the Airbus salesman/woman calls up United and asks if they want some, United will say, 'no we don't want any, but we'll take 15'" To put it simply, United will need to buy them to keep up and keep its name as the largest carrier in the world. Of course he told me this before the whole sit in the wings idea came about. But he thought that United will have them some day. However, that is just one pilot's opinion.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 12:37 pm

Please.... what the hell kind of question is this. Will all of United's 737s go one day? Will all the 757s go one day? The 767s? How about the mighty Triple Sevens?

Of course they will all go one day. What, did you think United will still be flying 747s in 2060? How many DC-8s does UA still have in its fleet? How many L-1011s will Delta have after 31 July 01? How many DC-10s does American have?

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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 1:10 pm

What you all don't seem to realize is that Boeing has introduced a viable 744 replacement, the 747X (not stretch). The 747X (probably the 745) holds about 430 passengers, and has a range of 8900nm. This, along with the 772ER/LR, and 773ER is what UAL needs. I doubt that they need the capacity of the A380.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 1:53 pm

That's wouldn't happen. The future of UAL will be B 747-400s, B 747-400LRs, B 777-200ER as well as B 777-300ER.

Some of the routes do require the capacity of a B 747-400. And they will not be leaving anytime soon.

It will always be B 747 AND B 777. Not OR.
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 1:54 pm

If the 747X is a viable 747-400 replacement, how come no one has ordered it yet?
 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 1:58 pm

United Ailrine...why did you even bother to post such a silly topic if you already knew the answer to the question? Are you some kind of super genius, or something like that? I find it funny how you post a question, then answer it like you the know the actuall answer. If you know United's future plans, please let me know, as I'm very very interested in what they may be.  Wink/being sarcastic  Insane

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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 5:34 pm

"The future of UAL will be B 747-400s, B 747-400LRs, B 777-200ER as well as B 777-300ER. " United Airline, your postings seem to be taking a very distinct slant on a regular basis. Your writing suggests you are trying to convince yourself that UAL will go for the 747 -400LR, and also to reassure yourself that AI will not be entertained for widebodies. Nobody knows, except UAL, and no matter how many times you try to tell yourself otherwise, you will not influence their decision, it's not clear cut, not by a long shot.

 
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RE: Will All Of UAL's B 747s Go One Day?

Mon Mar 05, 2001 8:27 pm

Looking at the fleet age of UAs B744s and 772s you´ll see that a lot of the Jumbos are actually newer than half of their Triple Seven fleet. Means that you can expect some 777s to be taken out of service prior to half of the 744 fleet! But thats 10-15 years from now.

UA without something bigger than a 777? Unthinkable. Stupid. An also uneconomical on some routes.
This has been discussed earlier several times, but wouldn´t it be strange if the USAs biggest airline would choose a European aircraft as their flagship? I see them order the 747X. Its just that they have a lot of new 744s. they don´t need to act anytime soon.

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