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I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 9:50 am

Has anyone else here flown on this as a passenger in coach yet? If you have let me know how it went. It should be interesting. I'll just pretend it's the 60's and I'm on a TWA 707.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 10:05 am

I've flown CO 757's transatlantic and to tell you the truth, the experience is really far from bad. For one,
the international configuration 757 in CO's fleet have
slightly more legroom as three rows have been taken
out to make room for a galley and the 757 does have
a large plane feel thanks to its powerful engines.

I wish CO would get more 767-200ER's or 767-400's
and fly those on 757 routes to Europe but really, I
don't think it is that bad. Think of it this way, you
don't have to fly through a hub and you won't have
too much of a line in customs on your return as this
is one of three scheduled international flights out of
Cleveland.

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 10:27 am

Thank you.......Actually I am looking forward to it. The seven-five is my favorite aircraft (besides the L1011 of course). I'll dispell the rumor of how awful a long trip on a 757 is when I return. And unfortunately I come back by way of EWR so there will be long lines I am sure in customs.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 10:33 am

I'm surprised that a 757 can do CLE-LGW nonstop!!!
What is that? About 6000 miles? What is the range of the 752?
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 10:38 am

I have, its ok but i like 1st class better because there is more room and stuff.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 11:09 am

Matt D, yea, 757s can fly to London from CLE. Think of it this way, CLE-LGW is basically same as maybe JFK-SEA. That route is approx. 6000 NM.

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 12:18 pm

JFK-SEA = 6000NM?

Are we sure about that?

Are you sure you were not talking about 6000KM?

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Matt D, yea, 757s can fly to London from CLE. Think of it this way, CLE-LGW is basically same as maybe JFK-SEA. That route is approx. 6000 NM.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 12:29 pm

Continental did not, according to their website, remove 3 rows of coach seating. What they did is remove one set of 3 seats to make room for a galley. A domestic 757 has 159 coach seats, and an international 757 has 156 coach seats. Both are said to have the same seat pitch, 31 in.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 12:39 pm

The 757 easily makes the CLE-LGW run. On about 5 occasions since the inception of the service, the LGW-CLE portion has had to divert to places like BOS, YYZ, YUL, because very high headwinds slowed down the aircraft, and emptied out the fuel tanks.

The 767-200, which only holds 2 more total customers than the 757-200 (16-156 for the 752 vs. 25-149 for the 762), will eventually go on the route, but only if/when the parallel runway project is completed.
 
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CLE-LGW Distance NOT 6000 N.m.

Mon Mar 05, 2001 12:54 pm

CLE to LGW is 3274 n.m. The 752ER is fully capable of this which is pretty obvious considering CO is regularly flying this route with the 752. For what it's worth, SEA-LGW is 4198 n.m. Hope this helps.
 
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Further Correction

Mon Mar 05, 2001 1:04 pm

I've noticed another error in an earlier post on this topic. The distance from JFK to SEA is nowhere near 6,000 n.m.!! The actual distance from JFK to SEA is 2,104 n.m. The earlier estimate is wrong by 200%!!!
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Mon Mar 05, 2001 4:15 pm

The only difference in coach between the domestic and international 75's is the lack of seats 7abc. The bulkhead/cabnet that replaced them is not a galley unit, but the housing for the BusinessFirst PTV video system.
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:21 am

I understand that there are the two Continental flights, one CLE-LGW and the other LGW-CLE. But, what is the third international flight? Is it the Grand Bahama Island 727? If not, where does it go and what type of A/C?
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 9:58 am

Continental also flies to Toronto and Montreal from Cleveland. On Saturdays, there is a seasonal flight to Cancun.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:39 am

This message is for delta worlf. JFK TO SEA IS NOT 6000 MILES. IT IS 2,421 miles. That is a huge difference. That is a 4 hour and 30 minute flight. 6000 miles is still rediclous for CLE-LHR. CLE to LHR is about 3,600 miles, that is still far from 6,000 miles. I have flown 7 hours on a UA A320 from EWR-LAX (there was a really heave cross wnd). It was not that bad at all. Your flight will be fine, it is not that long. It would be nicer on a wide body but it wont be that bad. I do think that they should run that route with the 767-400ER. I do not like the idea of a 757 going international. But my A320 flight was not bad at all. I have been on a 19 hour non stop flight before. Mabye that had something to do with me feeling like it was not that bad.

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RE: MattD

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:47 am

Hey, hey man... I watch that 757 leave every day. Trust me, it's going non-stop or else thousands of CLE-LGW pax are lying or duped since June 1999.

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RE: Early Air

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:49 am

It's CLE-LGW, not CLE-LHR.

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RE: Early Air

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:54 am

Air Canada also flys CLE-YYZ n/s with a CRJ.
CLE-LGW is definatly non-stop.
Tell us what its like when you get back.
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RE: Kcle

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:07 pm

Multiple Continental Express flights to/from YYZ
Three Continental Express flights each to/from YUL

Continental Airlines Flight 66 = MSY-CLE-LGW

Continental Airlines Flight 67 = LGW-CLE-DFW

Continental Airlines Flight 357 = CLE-SJU (It's considered International even though it's technically still the U.S.)

Continental Airlines Flight 462 = SJU-CLE

That's the extent of CO's international flights based in Cleveland.

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RE: Cody

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:08 pm

Cody,

If you're departing on Runway 23R, look out the right side of the plane as you're turning onto the end of the runway (there will be a fence there) and watch for the woman jumping up and down on the mound across the road.

That will be me.  Big grin

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:19 pm

I know I should know this, but how many aircraft are used to service this route?
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:22 pm

I dunno -- at least two, because they run 66/67 at the same time... I haven't gotten any reg. #s off the planes. This Sat. I will try. I hope they'll be flying the 23's so I can get close enough to see the reg!

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:26 pm

REDNGOLD, how are you, I might join you that day. If I can. I owe the mound a trip.
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:07 pm

Zzz... I know I'm tired, aren't you supposed to be in bed for school tomorrow?  Smile I don't know what time I'll get there on Sat., but I'm gonna have fun this weekend, we're going to spring break (staff gotta party, too...)

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RE: Redngold

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:24 pm

OK I will look so I expect you to be there. I guess this means I need to sit on the right side of the aircraft. I actually fly into Cleveland several times this month due to my job. Normally we depart off 23R although one time we came off of one of the fives.
 
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RE: Redngold

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:28 pm

Are you from CLE? If you're a Saab 340 f/o and you're in CLE a lot, I'm going to guess you're with Mesaba/NOrthwest. Nowadays, though, you could be with Chautauqua/USAirways.

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:14 pm

A 19 hour nonstop flight? ~yeah right.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:07 am

The Usual 2-day routing of the 757-200 that goes CLE-LGW us normally something like this: Europe destination to EWR, flight 277 EWRCLE, flight 66 CLE-LGW, then the next day, flight 67 LGW-CLE, flight 280 CLE-EWR, then EWR to either Europe or sometimes into Florida.

Flight 66 originates in MSY, and flight 67 terminates in MSY, but the MSY legs of that flight are operated with 735 equipment.
 
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RE: Redngold

Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:28 am

Yes! Very good.....your second guess was anyway!
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:14 am

I flew AMS-EWR only two months ago on a CO B757, and when I walked down to the boarding gate at Schipol, I thought this is a small aircraft ! for transatlantic, but in fact I flew in economy [coach] and it was fine.

The flight was about 7.5 hours and service was good and quite comfortable.

CO is also starting or has started a flight from EWR to BHX Birmingham in England and will use a B757, so it is widely used.

Just for your info, there was an airline called Swissworld starting a service from Geneva to New York about 2-3 years ago and they were looking at flying the B737-800/900 I think, although I am not sure whether this would have been my choice. However they never got off the ground. Wonder why !!!
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:33 am

Any more news about CO flying 737s to Ireland? That's not a long flight, maybe 4 and a half hours from Newark to Shannon? I've done Boston to Gatwick in under five.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:37 am

Here it is:

BOS-LGW 3,287 mi
EWR-SNN 3,114 mi

Any other airlines operating (or considering) 737s across the Atlantic?
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 2:22 am

CedarJet-BOS-LGW in under 5 hours, really?

Can CO use widebodies out of CLE, the runways are small.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 2:24 am

Widebodies have no problems going out of here to Europe. There have been many charters in the past nonstop CLE-Europe.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 2:43 am

Yeah, you are right, NW lands 747's in CLE due to weather in DET but if we got bigger runways we can have more widebodies. As Delta has ATL-CVG-SLC, continental should have Houston-EWR-CLE. CO should take advantage of the Latin market in CLE and use 767's to Latin America and become a true International airport and CO hub instead of RJs.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 4:59 am

Delta... what do you mean a TRUE international airport? We fly to Mexico, Europe, Canada, and the Carribean. What more do you want? Anything out of our country is Intl. BTW: RJ's feed your precious widebodies. They are the workhorses and without them, your widebodies are downsized.
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 5:09 am

I'm just saying CLE needs to grow. How about CLE-DEL, or CLE-SYD? But seriously, CLE is just an RJ hub for CO and not a TRUE hub for CO. I think it should become more like EWR for CO. The city is back in business and it's time to really get the airport going. Make NASA move (buildings are very outdated anyway) and put CLE back on the map. How about LGW-CLE-LAX-HNL? CO is totally ignoring CLE and is missing a huge opportunity, just look at CVG with Delta down south and CLE is a much bigger city.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 8:37 am

Once Cleveland gets the go-ahead to expand, we probably see more widebodies. Phase 1 was suppossed to be completed last year, but because of environmental problems and opposition from nearby residents, they haven't even started yet. Phase 1 starts with adding a new 9000 ft runway roughly the same distance from 5L as 5R is. It will be built to the left of 5L. 5L will be closed and turned into a paralell taxiway. the new runway will be known as 5W. 5R will be lengthened to 11250 ft, which is Phase 2. Plenty of room for even the largest widebodies!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy This is causing the most opposition because 300 homes will be torn down to put taxiways, fences, and landing lights. There is a third phase, but I don't know what it is. On a related subject, right now, there is free parking at the IX Center, and if the planes land on the Fives, you'll get some great views and pics. You have to park right in the corner of the parking lot, closest to the runways. If you park at the corner of IX Center Drive and that other road at the fence gate, watch out for the security guard in truck number 6. HE WILL KICK YOU OUT!! Any other guards don't care. Just a few weeks ago, about 5 cars, including myself, parked there, and a guard went by. He didn't even bother us! Number 6 doesn't seem very nice.  Pissed
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 11:53 am

KCLE, how did you get into the parking lot, the gaurd booth wouldnt even let me in. Did you do it during an exposition, when there were actually people there, or did you just go at a random time when it was vacant.

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:04 pm

This week, the Cleveland Auto Show is going on and they have free parking. I always watch the TV for activities at the IX Center with free parking. The Sportsmans' Show is coming soon and they may have free parking too. I hope this clears this up for you CleCo!
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:11 pm

Kcle, thank you very much for this information. I was lookin for some more spots. Maybe I will see you there some time. How close is it to the runway?

Jake
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:52 pm

I'm trying to upload a picture from the location. It's taking me forever, so I will try to explain. You are about 200 to 400 feet away from the taxiing planes and further for the runway, about 800-1000 feet (I'm just guessing). If you use binoculars, you can see the pilots and the pax on planes taxiing to 5R. It's really cool. I saw this one pax, a large man, right through the window with binoculars. These aren't special binoculars either. They are Tasco, 7X50, 405 FT at 1000 YDS. There is the overpowering smell of jet fuel in the air, and, the ground shakes as planes with P&W JT8-D engines take off!  Wow! The photos aren't bad either for a 35mm camera with a small zoom level. It's a great spot, I'm just hoping one day, a 747 will land while I'm there!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Hope this helps!
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Thu Mar 08, 2001 7:40 am

Thanks, that sounds like a good place to spot, you have been to the mound near the bomber squadron, haven't you? I like it the best of all, I like it more than the observator deck. I love those planes flying so close over head.

Jake
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Delta

Thu Mar 08, 2001 10:26 am

CO cannot fly to SYD or DEL. We only have a 9000 ft runway. Also, CO operates 62 gates at Cleveland.. not much less than EWR... how can you say it is not a true CO hub? CVG dosen't have as many DL's as ATL... are they also not a TRUE hub? Comair is based there.. does that mean CVG is just a regional hub? BTW: CO is not ignoring CLE... they just built a multi-million dollar terminal and are helping pay for the runway. Also, NASA is moving.. a new runway is being put through. NASA is moving down field. Moving NASA is MUCH easier said than done. They have a massive testing lab here as well as a museum.. it's not just pick up and move. You are making it sound like CO is just ignoring CLE.. believe me, they aren't. RJ's are jets too... they carry passengers... they fly betwee cities... and they are just as important as the big boys if not more.. let alone all the 737's, 757's, and MD-80's CO flys into here.
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Thu Mar 08, 2001 11:33 am

Don't get me wrong I'm from Cleveland too, and have droven :30 one way just to talk to pilots and watch planes. However, I see other cities and think "why dosen't Cleveland have that?". I hate to be pompous but Cleveland is a great city, therefore we should have a great airport. CO should put more international flights in, the city should put more money into improvements (having a fog horn blast into your ears when the baggage carousel starts is no way to say "Welcome to our city"), and get more widebody traffic. It is a nice airport but I think we can do more. Why can't we be like MSP? Both are about the same size of cities and not "headquater hubs", but MSP is so much bigger than CLE. If CO and the city make CLE grow everyone will win.
 
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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Thu Mar 08, 2001 11:59 am

Whoa, whoa guys... Let's not get into a fistfight over our city. The fact is that Continental does consider CLE an asset to it's system. CO is not going to pull out any time soon after investing so much time and money in Concourse D.

Runway length is not restricting flights. CO just hasn't invested in the Asian market yet. It will have to start growing a market there, perhaps from GUM, before we can even think of having n/s Asian flights from CLE. They would also probably start any Asian n/s from IAH first.

I'm not sure that NASA is going to move, guys. I think there's plenty of room between 5L and that property for them to stay put in their present location. In fact, if NASA had to move, why would UPS have built their new cargo base east of NASA? So I doubt NASA's going to move. Only one thing had to move -- the very small set of turf runways that were adjacent to UPS's new ramp location. Those have been gone for quite some time.

Instead of complaining and fighting over CLE's current shortcomings, let's put our heads together and come up with some constructive comments and ideas for Mayor White's expansion team. They can use all the help they can get, as proven by all of the problems they've had so far.

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RE: I'm Flying On Continental's 757 CLE-LGW Saturday

Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:12 pm

Hey, I was looking at the COex website and it shows a picture of the new[er] 'D' concourse, in Cleveland. I can't find D1, can anyone explain this to me?

Jake
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RE: Go Delta

Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:25 pm

Go Delta~
In your comparison of Cleveland and Minneapolis/St Paul, you said that neither city is a headquarter hub for any airlines. You are incorrect. MSP is the headquarter hub of Northwest Airlines. 70-80% of MSP's gates are taken by NW airplanes. I've been there, I have seen how NW outweighs other airlines when it comes to presence at MSP.
 
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RE: Gate D1?

Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:25 pm

CleCO,

I can tell you that I've driven by that end of Concourse D and if there is a Gate D1, it is blocked by a whole bunch of baggage trams.

My guess is that there's room for a Gate D1, but it's not being used for that purpose, because it would block traffic around that end of the Concourse.

Also, once Continental Express goes all jet, I think they're going to demolish the temporary gates on the east side of Concourse D (D17, D21, D25, D28) and convert those to jet gates like the ones on the west side. Maybe that's when they will open a Gate D1.

Just my guess.

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RE: Gate D1?

Thu Mar 08, 2001 2:27 pm

There is not Gate D-1 yet. The reason-because LSG Catering is in the way. Plans are to tear down LSG's catering facility so that planes can come out of D Concurse from both ends. Right now, planes going to the fingers on the east side of D must arrive/depart through the south taxiway. If/when the taxiway extends all the way around D, it will cut down on taxi congestion, and will allow 2 more jetways to go into D Concourse.

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