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Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:39 am

I was driving by DTW recently and noticed that Lufthansa and British Airways are now both operating 747-400's into Detroit. My question is how long has the aircraft been changed from A-340(lufthansa) and 777(British Airways) and is the change permanent or not.
 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:50 am

BA:

Between now and 29th Apr, the flight is operated with a mixture of 744's and 742's. From 30th Apr it's back to the 777

LH:

It's appears that's they are using a 744 all the time except on Tue/Wed until 10th March the 340, and the daily 11th - 24th March the 340, then the 744 all the time for there.
 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:04 am

Excuse my ignorance of Detroit, but why would Lufthansa and BA fly there? It's a pit from what little I've seen. I suppose the auto industry and Daimler/Chrysler create the business market for those airlines, but I really can't imagine 300 plus people on each of their widebodies each day. From where to the people come? I understand Northwest/KLM....Detroit is a hub and they can fill planes with their spoke system...but how do Lufthansa and BA fill their planes.

Educate me.
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:13 pm

OK, be educated. The Detroit metro area is home to over 5 million people, one of the largest metro areas in the country. Perhaps you've heard of Ford and General Motors...two of the largest industrial companies in the world, with significant operations in Europe, in addition to DaimlerChrysler (no slash), and the multitude of suppliers to the auto industry that need ready access to Europe. Or, hmmm, maybe the pharaceutical industry, the major appliance industry, the chemical industry, all with significant companies (Pfizer, Whirlpool, Dow, for example), within a three hour drive or short connecting flight of Detroit, with their need for additional access to Europe...

I'll be the first to admit that DTW (not necessarily the rest of the Metro area) is without doubt "a pit", but it's not too hard to see why BA (which has had an ongoing presence at DTW for many years, perhaps with some interruptions) and LH have scheduled service here. Those flights are usually full.
 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:36 pm

Germany and the UK are probably Ford's most important European markets, and GM has their Opel and Vauxhall subsidiaries based in those two countries as well I think. There must be many high-fare exec flyers on these routes.

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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:30 pm

BA has been flying into DTW since it opened, BA used to serve YIP before the move. BA using the 744 in Detroit is nothing unusual, it used one the majority of last summer (I worked at the airport then)

Lufthansa served DTW in the past with DC-10s and 742s back in the 80s. Lufthansa recently began serving Detroit again after the Daimler Chrysler merger. I was surprised too to see the 744 at Detroit. I was there Saturday when I noticed BA and Lufthansa using the 744.

Many other European companies used to regularly serve DTW before Northwest was a hub. I remember Sabena flying in DC-10s and 747s, JAT (Yugoslavia) with DC-10s, LOT with Il-62s, Icelandair with DC-8s, Alitalia with 747s, Air France with 747s,

Do not be surprised when the new terminal opens that a lot of international service starts up again, perhaps some from Asia too like Japan, Korea and China being that Northwest has those routes already. Northwest flies those routes with packed 744s out of Detroit.

I am VERY surprised that DTW does not have regular service to the MidEast with various MidEastern companies. The Detroit area has the largest Arab population outside the Mideast, one would think there would be regular flights from Gulf Air, Emirates etc. The only MidEastern company I see fly into Detroit is an occassional Royal Jordanian A310.

 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:37 pm

Does Daimler/Chrysler still have regularly scheduled charter service between Detroit and Stuttgart for their employees? I know they did when the merger/take over occurred but was wondering if it's still in operation.
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:13 pm


DaimlerChrysler (again, no slash) uses the Airbus Corporate Jet on scheduled service between Detroit (I've never seen one at DTW) and Stuttgart. They make 5 trips per week.

BTW, my first trip to Europe was in 1983 aboard a Sabena 747, DTW to Brussels.
 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:14 pm

While Metro Airport isn't the prettiest thing to look at, it's changing, and in a very good way. With the midfield terminal DTW is well on the way to being a world class airport. Once NW moves out of the Davey terminal, another $400 million construction project is going to begin in the Davey terminal, transforming the existing area into a smaller version of the midfield terminal.

This is expected to bring expanded service by current carriers, as well as attract other carriers to the airport. I believe that Air France is talking about starting daily service from Detroit starting somewhere around the beginning of the new year.

Of course this shouldn't surprise too many people, since DTW is one of the busiest airports in the world. Laugh now, but when the airport development project is complete, and Detroit has one of the newest and most convenient airports in the world, we DTWers are going to have the last laugh!
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Wed Mar 07, 2001 12:11 am


DC Air is using their A319 Jet on the Detroit-Stuttgart route 5 times a week. I can see it here at STR pretty often.

Rgds,
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PS: Hope LH will switch to a 742/744 on the PHL route soon, too.
 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Mon Mar 12, 2001 8:22 am

The Airbus jet flies to Pontiac/Oakland Co. International Airport, my supervisor lives across the street from the airport and she see's the Airbus fly over her backyard. I would imagine though it flying into DTW sometimes for business on the south side of the city? Maybe not.

I would like to suggest going to metroairport.com under the History section, there you will see that BA has been a player at DTW for a long time now. Lufthansa left DTW in favor of ORD (United Airlines), but then again returned in 1999 (I was there for the first flight). Lufthansa also introduced LH Cargo B747-200 and MD-11 service but discontinued it in favor for ORD.

As for DTW being a dump, well, it's a old airport. I work in the IT and believe me, it is not all that great. Get two delayed flights at the IT and the gate area is packed! The new terminal, or I should say, new terminals*, will greatly improve DTW!  Smile

The latest rumor thats been going around for a while now is Air France starting service when the new terminal open. All international carriers will rent gate space from NW. Leaving the current IT for charter airlines.

Otherwise, I have a detailed list of airliner movements at http://fly.to/detroitmetro

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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Mon Mar 12, 2001 8:42 am

afaik, Lh didn´t serve DTW when they got into the partnership with UA. so i wouldn´t call it skipping DTW for UA at ORD.
however, i´ve got something in mind about LH serving DTW in the early nineties. this could be very wrong, and i could very well imagine that my mind is playing tricks at me, but i remember, at least i think i remember, that lufthansa had scheduled services to DTW using a 767-300!!! that could have been a condor 763 or the plane which was leased from condor, painted in LH colors and operated the flights to SYD. once again, let me point out, that i don´t know anything about that for sure.
in addition, i´ve got a LH booklet which states all the exact the dates when every city in the LH network received its very first LH service, and for DTW it stated 3rd may 1993. so on the one hand, this relates to what i said. and soon there after, LH ceased operations to DTW, afaik.
if i´m not entirely correct, please go ahead and correct me, for i don´t know for sure about any LH DTW services prior to the ones established in 1999.

best wishes
daniel
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Mon Mar 12, 2001 9:36 am

If Lufthansa order the Boeing 777, would they use B777 for Dallas / Fort Worth..??

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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Mon Mar 12, 2001 9:41 am

Braniff727- PREACH IT BROTHA'!!!!
Folks, bashing DTW's international service is NOT a good idea right now. DTW is becoming Northwest Airline's international hub in the US.
Here are DTW's overseas destinations.
-Europe:
Amsterdam
London (Heathrow/Gatwick)
Paris
Frankfurt
Rome
Milan
-Asia:
Tokyo
Osaka
Nagoya
Shanghai
Beijing
 
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:02 pm

well, LH is not getting the 777s so i wouldn´t think of that.
however, i think the 772 could be slightly too big for LH´s FRA-DFW service. the a-343 is slightly smaller and they do fine with that, afaik.
prior to the 340 service, they utilized their 742combis on that route (at that time it was still fra-dfw-iah vv).
just for the records, they currently serve both IAH and DFW on a daily nonstop basis using a-340s.

rgds
daniel
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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:14 pm

thank you johnnybgoode  Smile


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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 13, 2001 11:50 am

Johnnybgoode, I just checked it out again, They started in May 1993 and disc. a year later, then returned in 1999. So you where thinking right. The Condor your thinking is right also, most times it was a DC10. From my understanding with Travel Charter International, they used Condor back around the time period your describing. Some of our workers still have the flight pins that were given as a gift by Condor.

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RE: Lufthansa And British Airways Into DTW

Tue Mar 13, 2001 9:53 pm

hey, glad i could help, Baec777,  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

and thanks, AIR757200, for clearing up my thoughts and reassuring me that my mind didn´t play tricks at me!!!
i used to collect many timetables and i had most LH timetables from the early eightes up to now, but some years ago, i moved and the box with most of the timetables (i really had quite a lot of many different airlines) somehow got lost or was dumped, dunno.
otherwise, i would have looked it up by myself, thanks!!!  Big thumbs up

best wishes
daniel
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