DeltaSFO
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Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:03 pm

UA just offered me a part time job on the ramp and I accepted it, thinking it would be cool to work for both UA and DL... so my plan is UA ramp in the mornings and DL ticket counter/gates at nights.

It seems like it would be twice as fun. After all, travel benefits on the #1 West Coast/Pacific carrier and the #1 East Coast/Atlantic carrier is like having your cake and eating it too.

But my first loyalty is now and will always be to Delta.

Anybody else here work for two carriers?

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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:06 pm

Never even worked for one.
 
FLY777UAL
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:06 pm

Sweet deal, DeltaSFO! Way to work those travel benefits! LMAO!

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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:10 pm

I had the pleasure of American for many years & the nightmare of Frontier for three long months. Regards.
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:14 pm

Are you sure your employment contract allows for that? I'm just a student and my employment contract specifically forbids me from simulataneously working for any direct or indirect competitor.
 
DeltaSFO
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:22 pm

Our conflict of interest rule prevents me from doing any ticketing work for another airline or travel agency.

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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:24 pm

Sweeeet. How did you pull that one off.
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:25 pm

You better check into working for two carriers at the same time. I work for Alaska Airlines and would be fired on the spot if I worked for any other airlines. It doesnt even matter if we compete with that carrier. I find it very hard to believe that you would be able to work for both United and Delta (altought that would be great). But make sure to check your employment contract so you dont lose the opportunity of working for an airline.
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 5:12 am

DeltaSFO-

While it's great that you were offered a position with United, I would strongly recommend that you refer to Delta's HRPM 1000.2, paragraph 3:

"Employment with any for-profit company that engages in scheduled transportation of persons or property by aircraft (except Delta) is considered to be a conflict of interest and is prohibited."

There is no mention in the HRPM that such employment is acceptable as long as you are in a different department. I would highly recommend against publicizing your acceptance of this offer, should you choose to accept it.
 
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Purdue Arrow

Thu Mar 08, 2001 5:32 am

..Nicely said...

Betcha UA also has a similar policy, with similar unpleasant consequences..
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 5:45 am

UA + DL??? Sounds like you've got your work cut out for ya... Well, there is no doubting that being part of the UA ramp crew will be an awesome job...

DeltaSFO: The problem you have is are you allowed to do this???I've heard not... but I might be wrong.

I know you want to be a pilot, and there is no better way to get brownie points for a right-seat, than working down on the ground... Employers realize that YOU, the pilot, knows what the ground crew is going through... The employer (be it UA or DL) will also realize that you are familiar with UA/DL issues and procedures. This will MORE than help you in the long run.

GOOD LUCK, & WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 8:03 am

I knew a bagsmasher who worked part time for F9 in the morning and part time for UA at night at DEN.
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 8:39 am

Aside from possibly not being allowed, I could see this as unappealing due to the fact that your weekends will not always match up for the respective airlines. You will also slowly climb the senority ladder as I assume you're only going to be part time at each airline.
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 9:32 am

I work for CO, we were told we can't work for any other AIRLINES that transport PEOPLE. To an airline, that would be a conflict of interest. However, I know tons of people that work with me at CO by day and work for either FedEx or UPS at the airport. But like I said, those are not PEOPLE moving airlines. Now I don't see why those rules would be different for any of the other US majors, but hey, I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it.
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 9:44 am

Sorry DeltaSFO but working for another airline in whatever capacity IS considered a conflict of interest by DL HR. I guess you have a decision to make. Who's basket do you want to throw all of your eggs?
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 9:45 am

I was going to agree with most of you, at my airline and at most of the others I've heard of this is usually strictly prohibited due to as said above "conflict of intrest." Make sure both carriers don't have such a rule.

If not COOL, more power to you & I would definitely do it if possible.
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 9:53 am

Sorry DeltaSFO, working for another airline in whatever capacity IS considered a conflict of interest by DL HR. I guess you have a decision to make. In which basket will you throw all your eggs? Quite frankly, I'm amazed that UA offered you a job with knowing full well that you intended on keeping your DL job (unless you failed to mention that fact to the UA personnel rep). I would imagine their HR policy is similar to DL's.
 
DeltaSFO
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 9:57 am

Well... Purdue Arrow is right. I had asked a member of local management whether DAL had a conflict of interest rule, and their interpretation was only from working the same department.

However a check of the HRPM shows that indeed I cannot work for two carriers.

DL Widget Head... the answer to your question is easy......

Delta!

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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 10:12 am

I admire your fierce loyalty to DL even though your are relatively new to the the DL family. However, UA might be a better fit for you considering your West Coast domicile. Also, UA's SFO hub operation may afford better opportunities for advancement without having to move. On the other hand, If UA completes their aquisition of US, then I would imagine that there would be quite a few redundancies and usually how it works in the airline industry is the last in are the first out. That having been said, I hope you decide to stay with DL.
 
DeltaSFO
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 10:32 am

I don't think my West Coast domicile will be west for too much longer. I would very much like to transfer to ATL or MCO.

Besides, last time I was looking for a job, DL called before UA did. So I'll just stick with Delta.

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Conflict Of Interest?

Thu Mar 08, 2001 10:37 am

Hi:

Well, although DeltaSFo found out that his jobs were in conflict, I am questioning myself about the ground handling at the airports. I personally work for Air Transat in YUL (with Air France, RAM and Egyptair as clients). In my case, there is no real competition between these carriers, so I guess everything is fine. But in YUL, Air Canada handles (LH), (UA), SR, SN and CSA Czech. And even BA a few months back. I mean, can we consider that a conflict of interest when AC agents are customer service agents for with SR, SN and BA (their main transatlantic competitors out of Montreal)? Where does the conflict of interest start ?

Best regards,
F. Meunier

 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 10:55 am

I think the conflict starts with where one derives their monetary compensation for services rendered. In the situation you descibed above (Transat1011) it seems like your company is providing a service to those other airlines for which Air Transat is being compensated, not you. You are simply the employee doing his job; therefore no conflict. But, if this agreement did not exist between Air Transat and those other airlines and you were independantly employed by LH, UA, or SR, as well as Air Transat, then the airline can decry a conflict exists and that their (Air Transat's) proprietary information is at risk. I don't particularly like or even agree with this rule. I think it's a little "cold warrish" and archaic but, whaddya goin do?
 
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RE: Working For Two Carriers

Thu Mar 08, 2001 12:31 pm

Hey if you do get transfered to ATL you will do tickets right. But if some case came up and you get to work at the coperate offices you might be able to work with my uncle Rick Gough who is the Head or close to the Head of the Security department for Delta.

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