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The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 2:39 am

From what I have heard, there are still a few B 747 SP of UAL sitting in a desert doing nothing. For example: N147UA.

They haven't been flying for at least five years. Does anyone know why are they in a desert doing nothing?

Also, what is going to happen to these planes?

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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 2:44 am

One of United's 747SP's is being used as the SOFIA high altitude telescope. They are still up for sale on UALServices.

Remember, United used the 747SP's as a stopgap airplane on long routes until the 747-400 was ready.
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 9:51 am

That was in the mid 90s. Right?
 
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Fri Mar 09, 2001 10:00 am

yeah
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 10:18 am

In fact, UAL can still fly them today for some of the ultra short routes. However, it is too expensive to operate such old planes.

WHy don't they rent them out? I am sure some third world countries would want it.
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:42 pm

United Airline,

no-one wants them...they are for sale. Go to www.ualservices.com

Yes, you can buy a 747SP!  Nuts
 
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Continental

Fri Mar 09, 2001 1:30 pm

Yeah I noticed on Continental's website that they have about 3 747-200s (didn't even know they had operated these) 6 Dc-10s, and a couple of 727s. All you rich yuppies out there should go buy yourself a big airplane!
 
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RE: Continental

Fri Mar 09, 2001 2:01 pm

I emailed CO asking for a quote on one of their 742's, and they just blew me off.
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 2:44 pm

I flew on one of UA's 747SP's in 1993, from MIA to IAD. The flight continued to CDG and Geneva. That was the only 747 that I have ever flown on. I am aware that UA got those planes from PA when it bought the Pacific routes from the struggling pioneer airline. All the same, the flight was OK but the interior looked dated and the IFE was also primitive, compared to that in the 757-222 which I had flown on that same day.

It is sad to see the classics go, though. With only 45 or so built and their unique characteristics, 747SPs will be hard to sell.

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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 6:28 pm

I wish they are available for us to get on them. At least for a visit. I miss them so much!
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 6:48 pm

Biggest problem with the SP is that they have the same operating costs of the 'classic' aircraft - yet only 2/3 of the seats. Therefore, your seat mile costs are 50% higher.
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 8:15 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned http://www.747sp.com

Great site for info, including the whereabouts of all the 74Ls

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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 8:47 pm

Yes, 747SP.com is a great site. And it has all the answers, although the news pouring in are getting lesser and lesser - like the aircraft in service.
The SP is one of my favourite aircraft of all time because its so special in any aspect. Unique looks, size, rarity, history. And there´s one of the best books in aviation donated to this plane, written by Brian Baum.
The SP is like a Rolls-Royce to me: Impressive, oldfashioned, technically not up-to-date but very emotional. Maybe thats why its only truly market success is with some of the richest Roll-Royce drivers in the world: the Arabian Kings and Sheiks. They use them not so often so even if these planes are rare you´ll see one or the other still well into the next decade. I wonder if some might be re-engined after a few have been modified with 744-style two-man-cockpits already.
Its sad to see that most SPs are just sitting years in the desert after being retired from airline service. The Korean duo, the Air China planes, the United/Pan Am-fleet. I don´t think that the United aircraft will see another operator except the "SOFIA"-plane. They have been used very extensively, a very high "mileage" on the clock.
And the SPs safety statistic is excellent: Not a single one has been involved in a serious accident, only one 23-year-old SP was an insurance write-off after a relatively minor incident (engine blown-off) at an somewhat exotic location (Mozambique) two years ago.
 
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RE: How About -400SP?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 9:53 pm

Gentlemen...
Is it possible to build a 747-400SP???
In other words, build a brand new 747SP, using the technologies & features of a -400??? Could such an aircraft find a niche today? Regards.
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 10:09 pm

No way, because it would be exactly where the - less impressive - B777-200 and the A340-300 are competing now (btw I would prefer to fly in a 747X-SP rather than in a 777).
But I would bet that such an airplane would be a bestseller with Arabian kings and others sitting on earth´s most precious resources. Means that a small series of up to 25 guilded Jumbos could be sold in a 10 year production run.
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 10:36 pm

Given that there are a number of 747SP's sitting out at several storage depots, I think there is a way to revive them. I would suggest doing the following:

1. Zero-time the airframe.

2. Install the two-crew 747-400 cockpit.

3. Install new, more efficient turbofan engines to replace the original JT9D-7's.

4. Install Aviation Partners winglets.

5. Put in a 777-style interior.

An upgraded 747SP like this could easily fly JFK-HKG with no load limitations using the route the CO 777-200ER is now using.
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 11:36 pm

Some of them are at Marana, and some has been broken up at Ardmore, Ok I am not sure of how many. I t would be nice If that company Jet Acquisitions that was interested in TWA pick the remaining ones up along with some ex DL. Tristars and a few Md-80'S and form a new airline!
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RayChuang

Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:00 am

The 777-200ER can fly EWR-HKG/JFK-HKG with no limitations.
 
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RE: RayChuang

Sat Mar 10, 2001 2:22 am

How do you zero the time frame?
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:04 am

"How do you zero the time frame?"

Easy: purchase 747SP. Take cash equivalent to purchase price of 777 and spend on repairs/upgrades to 747SP. Voila ... a super cool 20 year old airliner, that all the 20 year old airline enthusiasts really like. And the operating/acquisition costs are only 25-50% higher than 777!

[remove tongue from cheek]

I would love to see this happen. But airlines are pretty good at figuring out which planes will make them money. The market has voted on the 747SP and the answer is a resounding no.  Sad
 
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RE: The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 11:19 am

Mit:


I, myself hate to see a B 747 Classic go........


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