diatraveler
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Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:00 am

Can someone tell me why United has not reinstated Den-Hnl service? They used to run this route in the 80's with DC-10s and DC-8's. Seems to me the 777's could profitably handle this route. I know Continental used to run a DC-10-30 as well when they had a hub in Denver. Also, why would United ax the ORD-HNL non-stop after twenty years?
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:31 am

How long ago did CO fly DEN-HNL? Pre-1978?
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:36 am

I believe CO flew the route 4 times per week from 1987 to 1993 as a continuation of the DEN-LGW nonstop.
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:42 am

I guess that there is no airline that find this route profitable, or if they do, maybe they can't afford an a/c to fly the route. Just my thought.

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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:50 am

This is somewhat odd. Considering in the design requirements for the 777 United put in the DEN-HNL factor, that the plane be able to depart with a full passenger load from Denver in summer, to Honolulu.

United may not be operating this service b/c there are fequent and good connections onto LA or San Francisco for Hawaii flights. Given the lower yield nature of the Hawaii market maybe it is not seen as the best use of an aircraft. Until ORD-HNL gets restarted I wouldn't expect to see DEN-HNL.
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 5:47 am

I think you hit it on the head, Desert Jets. It's a matter of yield. Most of the pax are on mileage freebies or discount fares.
 
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RE:DIAtraveler

Fri Mar 09, 2001 8:15 am

I am thinking. I know this doesnt have anything to do with the DEN-HNL, but, was the flight number of the DEN-LGW 5 or 35? I believe 5 went to IAH if I am not mistaken, used to hear them both at cruising altitude talking to Minneapolis center in Michigan.
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 8:59 am

Could it be the same problem which ended the Chicago to Honolulu flight? The pilots' union. I believe it has something to do with the pilot demand for relief pilots on two person cockpit flights longer than X hours. Maybe the flights to Hawaii don't earn enough revenue to justify the labor cost of a relief crew. So now all United flights depart from the West Coast. I don't have the details, but given the self appointed experts on this forum, someone will fill in the details.
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 10:53 am

CRAP!! For a minute there I thought you were talking about HLN, Helena, MT. I was thinking "Why the hell would you want to fly a 777 there?"
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:14 pm

A three crew bird can do it without a relief crew. DC-10, 747 etc have 11 or 12 hr duty limits (not sure). Otherwise with two pilots it's 8 hrs and they turn into pumpkins. Eastbound no sweat with the wind but I imagine that's getting close Westbound, strong jet stream and it could cancel before departure because the flight time would be over 8 hrs. ATA & Continental are still using DC-10 or L10-11 for anything east of the Rockys. Maybe somebody can tell me why there is less UAL 777/767 and no 747 service to HNL anymore, and more and more 757's?? It sucks there must be a few hundred less seats a day to HNL!!
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:44 pm

I think there's a flight DEN-SFO-HNL
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 9:48 pm

I believe that UA is preparing to install crew rest areas on the "domestic" configuration 777-200's some time this fall. That will allow UA to start flying DEN-HNL, ORD-HNL and possibly JFK-HNL starting in 2002.
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 12:41 am

Boeing757Fan,
Yes, CO's flight to LGW was indeed #35 and #34 from LGW to DEN.
 
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RE: Why No DEN-HNL Service?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 1:48 am

I remember in the late 70's there was service from DEN to HNL with Western, using a DC-10. I can't remember if it was non-stop, however. But I was at Stapleton one day changing planes and the flight was across the aisle from my CO flight.

I too have wondered why UA or CO doesn't start it up.
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