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What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:19 pm

Hihi! This might have been discussed in the past. However, I would like to bring up some new questions on this.

If I can still remember properly, Cathay Pacific has leased their B 747-200s to Virgin Atlantic as well as Air Atlanta. And their B 747-300s to Pakistan International Airlines.

However, after the lease is expired, what will happen to these planes? Will they be scrapped, sold? Or will the lease be renewed? Or will they even rejoin Cathay Pacific?

I, personally hope that they can rejoin Cathay. Especially the B 747-300. They can be used on some of the long haul routes. Since they aren't that old.  Smile

What do you guys think?  Smile
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Class

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:31 pm

United Airline Wrote:

I, personally hope that they can rejoin Cathay. Especially the B 747-300. They can be used on some of the long haul routes. Since they aren't that old.  



The big differnce is that the 743 does not have the most desired range, and it is a 3 person cockpit. In this day, there is so much technology that makes operating a 3 personed flight deck crew un-economical.

Also, Cathay operates 744s. This plane has better engines, better operating costs, better range, and so on. There is no need to operate the 743.

Sorry
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:35 pm

Yes I understand that the B 743s are expensive to operate..... 3 person cockpit.

I too think that it is unlikely for Cathay to reuse their B 743s. If they really need the capacity of it, they will go for the B 777-300ER, or more B 747-400s.

Any idea on what will happen to Cathay Pacific's B 747 Classics?
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Class

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:38 pm

Trash them!

They are old, have old expencive engines, 3 person cockpit, and the 744 and 777 can out fly them!
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:39 pm

I highly doubt you will ever see the 747-300s back with Cathay. Pilots would have to be trained onto the aircraft again, and flight engineers re-employed. We are short of capacity, but have many airbuses on the way this year. At the moment there is no news about the PIA lease. Cathay is of course hoping the lease coninues.
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 12:40 pm

Some cargo operators might be interested in converting them if the price is right.
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 1:13 pm

To further add to that, most of BA's 747-200s will be converted to freighters, meaning that demand for RR powered classics will also increase. This makes CX's old aircraft more attractive as freighter conversions.
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 4:57 pm

This topic has been discussed before...

Anyway, I think everybody hoped that their 747-200s and -300s return to the fleet (except CX management), but the chance is trace (reasons stated above).
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 6:26 pm

They don't have to trash them. Maybe sell them and have them converted into freighters or renew their lease.

Besides, what are you going to do with B-HON? It is just about 13 years. Too new to be trashed.

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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Fri Mar 09, 2001 6:44 pm

I believe that B-HON, being a late model -300, is actually practically a -400 with a 3 man cockpit and classic engines. Maybe this is the reason that it is still sitting in the desert....because it doesn't really fit anyone's needs.
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Class

Fri Mar 09, 2001 11:51 pm

Cathay will not reuse the 747 classics 742/743, once they come of lease they will be parked at either Marana or some old Airforce Base in San Bernadino. It is already approximately 3 ex Cathay 742'2 there. Most likely they will be leased off or converted to freighters.
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Class

Sat Mar 10, 2001 3:32 am

To the best of my knowledge, the lease of 2 747-200s to Virgin Atlantic was for 5 years with an option to buy. I believe that Virgin DID exercise the option, and the 2 747-200 now belong to them. Also, I highly doubt that CX will redeploy the 747-200/300s into their fleet. Even though I am sure that everyone hear including myself would LOVE to see that.
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 4:35 am

Does anybody know where the first CX 747, B HKG, is?
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:16 am

i think it is either stored in a some dessert in america or it has been scraped...not sure which...but should be one or the other.....

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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 11:01 am

B-HKG has been scrapped already. Very sad..........
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:29 pm

if those inflight engineers are to be re-employed, I am sure they are able to carry out the work.

But anyway........

I have heard rumours about Dragonair planning to start up routes to Australia, and to Taiwan. It would be ideal for Dragonair to buy or to lease Cathay's B 747-300s and start their routes to Australia. That would be nice.  Smile

What do you guys think?  Smile
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 8:01 pm

Dragonair already fly to Kaohsiung...and operatining classics would be far to expensive. KA can afford new aircraft, so I highly doubt they would buy old 747 as pax. jets. Very unlikely.
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 11:32 pm

B-HKG msn(21746/385) B747-267B delivered in 1979 scraped in 1999, what a short life, anybody have any information way it was scraped so early.

747SR have a short life because of the short trips they were design for, but this airplane was just a regular "747".
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From what I have found, this airplane was scraped at this airport, never to fly again.
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 1:45 am

It is a real shame.

When the Asian economies went into trouble it somewhat took people by surprise, including Cathay management. The classics had all been repainted and had new interiors installed, including PTVs in all the seats. It was not long after the last classic came out the hangars refurbished that they started to dissappear. It was quite a while before all the -400s were done. They should have done those first!!
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 2:14 am

The reason it was scrapped is because CX's management did not bend on the price of the airframe. Operators that are looking for 747-200s went elsewhere where the price was lower.
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Class

Sun Mar 11, 2001 8:05 am

The classics will end up as freighters, and perhaps the -300's will end up with startups, ACMI's or in the third world; as far as old aircraft, look at where the 707's ended up.
 
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RE: What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Class

Sun Mar 11, 2001 8:42 am

I wonder if Atlas Air Cargo would be interested in the 747-300s? Obviously the RR engines would not fit in Atlas's GE 747-200F/300F/400F fleet. They have in the past though reengined 747-200s that had P&W power supplies.
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