lewis
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Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 7:33 pm

I have been in Montreal 7 times. In 1990 we used Dorval. It looked old and at that time used the 'raising buses' instead of jetways. Back in 1994-95 we used mirabel, which also didn't have jetways but looked more modern. Why did they finally decide to move all scheduled flights to Dorval? Were there any inprovements to the airport?(I noticed jetways the last time i was there.)
 
AC_B777
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:02 pm

Hey,

I believe that part of the reason for the move to Dorval may have been that Air Canada's main base is Dorval.
I would say that there are other reasons as well, but this was probably a factor.

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Transat1011
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sat Mar 10, 2001 10:12 pm

Air Canada definatly has a very "loud" opinion in Montreal. The fact is that it wasn't good to have 2 airports to start with. Idea of having international flights into YMX and transborder/domestic into YUL was simply bad. So, we had to concentrate flights to one airport. Although YMX would be probably more appropriate (modern, noise, expansion possibilities, etc), Air Canada decided that with their headquarters and maintenance base in YUL, it was better for them.

And regarding the use of buses in YUL, I haven't recalled seeing those for boarding/deplaning for quite a while. They are currently used at the request of the airline for people using wheelchairs or for crew transport.
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 1:42 am

Dorval has always had jetways, however I believe they use those "raising buses" (PTVs) to transport passengers from international flights to the customs facilities in the main terminal for security reasons.
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tristar2000
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 1:53 am

Likewise, Mirabel has always had jetways... 6 to be precise (gates 145 to 150)... They are now mainly used by Air Transat, Royal and Canada 3000, although C3 often uses the PTVs (passenger transport. vehicules), I've never seen their 330 at the jetways.

Now that international scheduled service has left YMX, the remaining flights can mostly use the jetways, and that's why we don't see the PTVs really that much.

I've always been a fan of Mirabel, and I truly believe that flights will head back there sooner than many people think, because it's never going to shut down. But I just don't want to launch the everlasting debate once more.

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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 3:59 am

I would think a huge factor for primarily using Dorval is its proximity to downtown. Mirabel is really inconvienent if you live in downtown (especially with the Montreal road infrastructure as it is). Dorval is a quick 20 minute drive from downtown which Mirabel can be more than an hour. I really like Dorval, I just hope some expansion in the future happens!

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JAL
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 4:27 am

Maybe the people who made the move were crazy.
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 5:46 am

Why no one sees the potential in CYHU? Ok heavies might not be able to land there but narrowbodies sure can, all it needs is a nice terminal!

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Ikarus
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 5:51 am

Are those "raising buses" the same as in Washington Dulles? I have recently noticed something like that in the background of a F-28 photo shot in Montreal, and have been wondering about that ever since - I thought they had been custom built for Dulles....

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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 7:42 am

The PTVs in YUL/YMX are basically mobile gates that can adjust their height from ground level to any jet.
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 11:48 am

I read that the original plans in Montreal were to use Dorval and Mirabel the way Dulles and National are used in the D.C. Dorval was supposed to handle the bulk of domestic traffic and Mirabel would be the main international airport. During the time Mirabel was built, Montreal had a much better economy and growth rate. It was Canada's premier city, largest and was becoming a global metropolis. It was at that time when the Olympics took place in Montreal and the city was at its peak. Today however Toronto is in the spotlight as Canada's number one city in terms of size and economy. Montreal is still very large and a very great city, but its economy and political stability is still uncertain according to what I read. Air Canada has put alot more time and investment in Toronto. As I said, this is what I read and understood. I am not a native of Canada and would like to hear what someone from Canada and mainly Montreal would say to this.

In my opinion from what I have read and heard things won't really change in Montreal. Dorval will still be number one, but as air traffic grows Mirabel will be used more again in the future. Toronto continues to grow and geographically it makes more sense for passengers to connect in Toronto. Montreal is more O&D for its citizens.
 
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 11:51 am

The scheduled flights were all moved to Dorval as part of Aeroports d'Montreal (French speakers please excuse me if I've misspelt something!) 'strategic plan.' Dorval was to take all scheduled passenger flights, and Mirabel all charter and cargo operations. The hope is/was that by doing that Dorval could be developed as a hub with pax transfering from long-haul to short-haul (and v.v.) flights - something that was never going to work with traffic split at two airports. Mirabel already had an expensive fright facility so that made sense. Mirabels outlying location was felt to be a hindrance for scheduled ops but not for charter flights. There was an article about it in Airways magazine, and a whole lot of advertising in Air Transport World by AdM to publicise the changes (including a cardboard 'punch out and assemble' 747 model that included instructions like "put the big wings in the centre of the plane and the little wings at the back" (in ATW!!)).
 
samspain
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RE: Why Dorval And Not Mirabel?

Sun Mar 11, 2001 10:37 pm

Werent the runways at Dorval improved in order to accomodate bigger and heavier planes?

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