kevin
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Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 8:27 am

Here are the presidential aircrafts of the countries where I lived in:

Russia:


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Ukraine:


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Canada:


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I also lived in Lebanon, but the president there does not have his own aircraft. When on a visit they lease an aircraft form the "MEA". However Lebanese Prime Minister Mr. Rafik Hariri who is one of the richest people on this planet has his own B727.. But i don't think there is a pic of the plane on airliners.net.
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 9:50 am

In my country the government has no aircrafts. They travel on ordinary airlines. The same counts for the royal family.
It may happen that schedules on airlines are very unfit, and then an air force Bombardier Challenger may be used as "VIP" plane - one of three Challengers which are normally used for fishing patrol around Greenland and the Faeroy Islands.
Or they rent a biz-plane from a taxi company.
That's much cheaper than having an "Air Force One".
The government does, however, own two planes, a Nord 262 specially equipped for ILS runway calibration, and a small piston engined twin for environmental monitoring at sea. They are both unfit for transport duties.
Up to around 1980 the Royal Danish Air Force kept a DC-3 as royal- and government VIP plane, but it wasn't used very much. Is started life as a troop transport in the USAF in 1944. Today I "own" it together with roughly 2000 other people, and we fly it for small trips roughly every other week-end during summer time only.
We will try to keep it flying forever. We have just bought a "new" engine for it at $40,000, having saved and accepted gifts for three years. So with a little luck we should have engines for the next many years to come.
Best regards, Preben Norholm
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 9:57 am

I'm Quite partial to the last two pictures you had there Kevin....Very Nice.
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:50 am

Preben Norholm:
Scandinavian countries are known to be the best countries to live in, since they are the most civilised in terms of freedom, economy and the most important equality. A friend of mine who lives in Denmark told me that in Denmark you cannot be rich or poor. If you are poor the governement will help you materially. And if you are rich, you are supposed to maintain a certain level of life, I mean when someone buys a Rolls Royce , it is considered to be a bad tone, stupid behaviour. Rich people in Scandinavia behave themselves as ordinary people. The same goes to the governement. King of Sweden goes on Saturdays to the fish market in Stockholm in order to buy some fish... Is this possible in third world countries? No way. In any country which are situated below the equator (except Australia and New Zealand may be), governement officials are the ones to show off with their Mercedes 600s and all the other assets of the wealthy life.
And here is something related to aviation. Have you ever seen a governement airplane in Scandinavia. I mean of course they do have some tiny jets, but no big ones. When traveling somewhere faraway they use regular passenger airlines in order to be equal to other people.
In other countries we see the opposite. Governement officials spend millions of dollars in order to maintain their private fleets. Look at Cameroon , a country with many financial and economical problems, but Mr. President is jetting around in a 727.

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Kazakhstan has lots of economic troubles, but Mr. president has a passion for the early Boeing models:

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Of course I'm not talking about everything and everybody. Some countries like the Persian Gulf states, Saudi Arabia, Brunei are financially well so they can allow themselves such a luxury. Russia, USA, Germany, France and UK are very important countries. Their presidents are important and travel a lot, so they simply need a personal aircraft.

Hey, I forgot what I wanted to say. Anyways what do you people think. Should government officials fly with us or have their private transports?

By the way if I was a president, I'd love to have my personal GulfstreamV  Acting devilish. Human nature, what can you do...

 Smokin cool
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 1:57 pm

The only way I would own a private jet (if I were a president of the US) is if I were qualified to fly it myself.
If the president of the US were qualified for the 747 and had his proper certifications, would he be allowed to fly Air Force One?
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 2:01 pm

The President is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces. He can fly Air Force 1 right now if he so desires.
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:21 pm

Of course he can. But it's gonna be considered as a childish act and what else can I say. Damn...
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:43 pm

The late King Hussein of Jordan used to fly his aircraft...even the L-1011  Big thumbs up


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The Canadian PM also uses the Challenger jet sometimes (but doesn't fly it of course):

 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 3:56 pm

Spain has the B707

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and the Dassault Falcon

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The B707 will be replaced with A310
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 7:31 pm

Does Singapore has any? Duh! Living in Singapore but I dun know? Big grin

By the way, sometime ago, President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia or Gus Dur, created a stir, when he planned to buy a 737 jet for state use. Because the government officials and fellow citizens objected to his plans, he abandoned it. BUT recently, during Ms Megawati Soekarnoputri's visit to Singapore, she took an unknown BAe 146-XXX jet to Singapore. Even more shocking, during Gus Dur's recent visit to Palangkaraya, the troubled city, he also took the same BAe 146, the one which Ms Megawati took to Singapore. Has the Indonesian Government bought the BAe 146 or otherwise?

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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:10 pm

Hello !

In France we have three 310-300 for VIP and transport duties, but they are not real VIP aircraft. The Air Force also own four Falcon 50 and two Falcon 900, in 2001 and 2002 two 319CJ will arrive, these one will be real VIP planes, for the President, Prime Minister, and main Government members.


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This week-end, I was @ LHR and I saw many VIP : 744 Brunei V8-AL1, 342 Qatar A7-HHK, 342 Jordan JY-ABH, 313 P4-ABU.
I have a listing of all VIP planes around the world, Excel format. Mail me ! (a-340@caramail.com)

Nice day !  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:20 pm

How many VIP aircraft does the USA have? Let me count the types...

VC-9 (DC-9, I think they are all gone now)
C-20 (Gulfstream III)
C-21 (Lear 35)
C-22 (727)
VC-25 (747)
VC-32 (757)
VC-37 (Gulfstream V)
T-42 (737-200)
VC-137 (707)
C-141 ( can be modified with a VIP trailer in the hold)

VH-60
VH-3

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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Mon Mar 12, 2001 10:42 pm

For the USA, VC-9 are not all gone, I saw one at Le Bourget recently, there are
3 VC-9C,
2 707-300 VC-137C,
2 747-200 VC-25A,
4 757-200 VC-32A,
3 or 4 Gulfstream 5 C-37A,
11 Gulfstream III/IV C-20,
based at Andrews AFB, and many Gulfstream, Learjet around the world.

VC-25A - I think it's one of the most famous VIP planes !

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VC-32A

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VC-137C

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C-37A

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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Tue Mar 13, 2001 12:01 am

Airbus A380 :
The BAe 146 that was used by President Wahid and VP Megawati belongs to Pelita Air Service, a charter carrier, subsidiary of the state oil company, Pertamina.

The Indonesian President and VP travel in Garuda Indonesia's jet most of the time. President Wahid uses GA's A330-300 for his long distance flight, while for regional flights to neighbouring country, he uses GA's B737-400. Pelita's BAe146 is mostly used for his domestic flights.

The former president B J Habibie used GA's B737-400 as the presidential plane.

The Indonesian second president Soeharto used GA's DC10-30 as the presidential plane in the late 70s-90s. Before Garuda received its DC10s, Soeharto used GA's DC8-50 as the presidential airplane. By the way, Soeharto's family actually owned a couple of jets, namely a B747-200, a DC10-30, a B737-200 and some biz-jets under foreign registration.

The only official "Indonesian Air Force One" (a special plane dedicated solely to the presidential use) is an Ilyushin-14, used by the first president Soekarno. This plane is actually a gift from the Soviet Goverment to the Indonesian Goverment in late 50s. The plane is named "Dolok Martimbang" by Soekarno.

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JA
 
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Indonesian Gov Aircraft

Tue Mar 13, 2001 12:11 am

Garuda,

In my list, I have 707-300 A-7002 and 3 Fokker 28. This is not VIP planes ?

http://dptsvip.homestead.com/files/indonesie707.jpg

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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Tue Mar 13, 2001 12:41 am

Alpha:

It's true that the Indonesian Air Force has a B707-320 and 3 F28s, as transport planes.

They are used as normal military transport planes, such as transporting the Indonesian from the Middle East during the Gulf Crisis. The F28s are also used as transport planes for the goverment officials (other than the President and VP) visits, although normally only for domestic flights

I've been inside the B707 during the Airshow in 1986. There is nothing special about the interior. All seats are economy class seats, with high density configuration, so I don't think the President (or the VP) use it. I don't know about the interior of the F28s, but I suspect they have the similar configuration.

The GA's planes that are used as presidential planes are basically the same planes that are used for GA's revenue flights, with some minor modification like addition of couple of beds, and on-board medical facilities.

Regards,
JA
 
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Tue Mar 13, 2001 1:12 am

Since about 4 months now we have here in Greece
an Emb-145 operated by the Air force:



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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:12 am

Croatia has two Challengers
one is on sale
(BTW> my username is registration of one of these)
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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Tue Mar 13, 2001 8:02 am

In the Netherlands we have a Fokker F-70, operated by Martinair.
The registration is PH-KBX.
This a/c is used by both the Dutch Royal Family and the Dutch Government.

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RE: Gov Aircraft In Your Country

Tue Mar 13, 2001 9:10 am

Kevin wrote:
King of Sweden goes on Saturdays to the fish market in Stockholm in order to buy some fish...
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Yes, and the Swedish King is also sort of "taxi driver", and a fast and efficient one indeed. When he was here in Denmark as guest celebrating his cousin, our Queen's 60 years birthday, then he drove his own car (a Ferrari saloon) to the Copenhagen airport to pick up his children arriving from Sweden on a SAS plane. He (not SAS) was a little late, so it cost a speeding ticket going a hundred and ten mph on the motorway instead of seventy.
Royals, they pay a speeding ticket with a "Sorry Sir". That little corruption is "allowed" in Denmark, which otherwise has been nominated the least corrupt country in the world.
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