VirginA340
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EAL An Braniff Today

Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:19 pm

How would EAL and Braniff be like if the two were still flying to this day and what aircraft and where would they be flying to. Before AA they were the ones that bullied SWA. Keep in mind that when SWA passengers used jetways BN pilots would have thheir planes close enough to the SWA plane and then turn away to have jet exausty blowning on them. I know at one point BN did fly to Asia and to India but pulled out due to low yields(They flew to Inida transpacific instead of transatlantic out of DFW) How would EAL be today? I know that EAL would be the dominate carrier in the Carribean and South America instead of AA or CO since the got EAL routes after they went under. I think they would fly to Western Europr like CDG, GAT, FCO out of ATL and JFK but that would be it. Don't know if they would fly transpacifically. The ac they would most likely fly are either 767s, 777s or A330s to replace the L-1011s and the DC-10 they used to GAT out of ATL.
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iwantanL1011
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:01 am

If Braniff was still around, it would be the airline I went out of my way to fly. Their liverys would be the most creative and colorful of any, and their domestic service would rival first class on the service-renoun intl carriers.

In general, it would rock.

By the way.. didn't braniff have a 747 that had all kinds of colors in splotches?? I can't find it in the database.


 
goingboeing
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:22 am

Braniff had 2 "Calder" jets - a 727 and a DC8, that were painted in a very "different' livery. As far as I know, they never painted a 747 in the Calder livery.
 
BostonBeau
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:31 am

You're right, GoingBoeing....no 747 in the Calder designs. Many of BN's 747s used to visit BOS during the brief period BN tried to use BOS as a European gateway. My own BN story is a bit risque, but I will try it out: I was waiting in Terminal E for someone arriving on BN from Paris. In the distance, we could see an orange 747 approaching from over the ocean (I am not sure if it was N601BN or one of its cousins). As the plane landed, the sweet elderly little grandmother type standing next to me says: "Look at that plane, dear....it looks like a giant p*n*s."
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:38 am

LOL bostonBeau...

I thought for sure it was a BN 747, but i was really young.. it was probably the DC8
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:49 am

I would love to see what BN and EAL's livery would be like in 2000 if they are still flying...
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 4:01 am

If BN and EA were still around, EAL would not have the dominance in Latin America- Braniff would. Eastern took over those routes from BN when BN failed.
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:23 am

I think that Braniff would be a pretty strong Domestic carrier with a tendency to be flashy, with color schemes and marketing that would just blow other carriers off the map. Their fleet would probably have some remaining 747's around serving HNL and places like LGW, BRU, and CDG from DFW. The 727's would still be plying the skies, but would be in the process of replacement. I would bet that 757/767's would supplement the fleet. I dont think that Braniff would be on the cutting edge of aircraft with all of these new planes as all of you seem to say. As another forum member said, I would go out of my way to hitch a ride on the Flying Colors.

Eastern would be a driving force on the east coast, competing heavily with Delta and U.S. Airways on the eastern seaboard. They would be dominant in the Caribbean and Latin America (mind you, Braniff sold all of their Latin American routes). I think that Eastern would still be operating their 757's and would have a sizable fleet of them. Eastern also seems like they were strong partners with Airbus due to the free trial on the A300's. I think that Airbus would be a user of the A320 series and maybe the A330, but what about commonality with the 757's? The 767 seems like a much more logical choice. EAL would still have some Tristars flying along side some 722's, which would probably be slated for replacement. The Air Shuttle would be quite strong as well.
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:53 am

<< They would be dominant in the Caribbean and Latin America (mind you, Braniff sold all of their Latin American routes). >>

Mere technicality, N312RC - if we are to assume that Eastern wouldn't have sold the Latin American routes to American, why should we assume that Braniff wouldn't have sold the Latin American routes to Eastern? In that case, Braniff would be dominant in SA.

FWIW - if we can assume they both survived, my guess is that Braniff would have "downsized" to a domestic and Latin America carrier. I don't think they would be competing in Europe or Asia. And, if Eastern would have survived, I would guess that their planes would bear an uncanny resemblance to Continental.
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 7:18 am

For both of these airlines it is somewhat ridiculous to speculate as to what they would look like today as the simple fact is that neither could have survived to the present day under any circumstances. this entire thread is akin to asking what would the present-day world be like under Stalinist domination. It is impossible to speculate as Stalin died in 1953 and so we do not know how he would react to recent developments such as the post-industrial economy, the information revolution, and the 24-hour news cycle.

To survive to the present day, BN would have had to remain a smallish regional carrier as it was prior to deregulation. Its massive growth during the early 1980's is what killed them. In short, BN's fate was sealed the moment it decided to grow 200% virtually overnight.

If one assumes that BN somehow lived to the present day, one must devise a plausible set of facts that would allow them to continue to operate. There simply is none. Either it could grow (and we know the results of that) or it could refuse to grow and be overshadowed by AA and DL. Either way, it was a dead airline after 1978.
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 8:12 am

Well actually neither Eastern nor Braniff would be dominant in Central/South America....because if Eastern and Braniff had survived...then so to would have Pan Am.....and THEY would have remained dominant in Latin America  Smile . Braniff's operations on the west coast of South America (both their own and those they bought from Panagra) were always smaller in scale than Pan Am's operations down the east coast.
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 10:42 am

In the same vein, it's interesting to think about what would have happened to other carriers had EA and BN survived.

Obviously American would not have the size hub at DFW, and would not have experienced the type growth over the southern US that they have enjoyed.

At the same time, Delta wouldn't be dominating ATL as they do, in fact, ATL would be one of the more competitive airports with EA, DL, and AirTran.

The southern US down to South America has obviously been the area that has been most affected by BN and EA's departure.

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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 11:26 am

Since EAL's departure at ATL and BN's departure at DFW it's now more expensive than ever flying in and out of DFW and ATL as they're quite a hassle to get around. I hope JFK won't be like this after the TWA take over. But then again I try my best to avoid them, UAL and DL as it's next to impossible to find a cheap flight and desent service. These airlines were rated low satisfaction and high fare by Conusmer Reports lastr year in the October issue. While (in order by consumer reports) Midwest Express, Aloha, National, Midway,SWA, NWA, CO, ands Air Tran were given higher marks for customer satisfaction and availability of low fares(which are two valuable commodities in this day and age to business passengers with lots of cash to spend)
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 4:05 pm

Of course things would be very different if Eastern was still around and doing great. It would have been cool to see. This is of course just my opinion but I think Eastern would be dominating MIA as American is now. Perhaps American would have developed their RDU hub further instead of moving to MIA. I aggree ATL would be a very competitive place between Delta and Eastern. Air Tran would more then likely not be headquartered in ATL because of this. US Airways wouldn't be as powerful as they are. Maybe the Piedmont merger wouldn't have happened and one of the two or both would be now flying in American, Eastern, or Delta colors. Eastern would have started a major expansion to Europe as well. The list could go on and on.

Eastern's fleet was very mixed in it's prime and would have taken a huge order to streamline it's fleet, much like what US Airways is doing now. They had a huge fleet of 727's and looking at Delta, American and United, a lot would still be flying with them but would be on the way out. They might have taken on a fleet of MD-80's at some point in the past to replace some of their older 727's and DC-9's. But their work horse would have been the 757 these days. My guess is they would have leaned toward Boeing for their large order because of their large fleet of 757's and 727's. Most likely the 737NG would have been their choice for replacing the entire 727 and DC-9 fleet. The 767-300 would have been a great fit for Eastern to start replacing it's A300 fleet and would most likely have a decent sized fleet of them by now. The L1011 would have been gone by now and replaced with 767-300's and 777's once they were available. I wouldn't doubt Airbus would have offerered them a sweet deal and perhaps they would have gone all Airbus but if you look at American, Delta and United their fleet mainly consists of Boeing, and Eastern would have done the same. Atleast thats what I think.
 
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 4:34 pm

I think EAL would've dominated MIA, ATL, SA as well as the Carribbean, have a decent preeence out west in SFO and LAX. As for Euro expansion. Gatwick, CDG, FRA and FCO and maybe CPH and AMS would do but nothing further. As far as Asian routes went. Maybe DEL or BOM out of JFK with a stop in GTW or AMS. I doubt they would have flown Asian routes because of them aminly flying to SA and Europe. Braniff was already under debt when they pullled out of Asia due to low yields. I doubt BN or EAL woul be interested but if the were 777-200 or 300s would be sufficient.
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RE: EAL An Braniff Today

Tue Mar 13, 2001 4:52 pm

If EAL were around the Caribbean and Latin America would have more competition and AA would have not been the leading carrier in the region . EAL was very aggresive at its SJU hub and it was very important to them Im sure they would have still continued to fight AA if they were still around . Anyways people in PR liked EAL better than AA and they actually remember it more than Pan Am which surprises me a lot. I miss seeing the silver EAL 757 landing every afternoon in Ponce coming in JFK . Never flew on EAL but have sure liked too .
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