l'espace180
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LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:02 am

Hello, I just read on the Orders EGroup that Lufthansa will soon order the AirBus A380, with 10 firm and 15 options. However, no source were mentioned.
Could anyone confirm this with a link to reliable source ?
thank you,
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:04 am

I thought they would go for the 747X! I'm suprised, but thats still great that they're getting the A380! Big thumbs up

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:07 am

will soon order

That is the key there. It means it is a rumor, so there are no sources given.
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:09 am

Here is what the guy writed :
"News reports are indicating that Lufthansa will order 10 A380s and take
options on 15 more.

Russ."
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:11 am

I know who Russ is, so this is probably more than a rumor.
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:15 am

 Nuts Yahoo!
I for one am happy to see more A380 orders.
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:46 am

 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 12:36 pm

Let's do not get excited. Wait for official announcement by Lufthansa German Airlines management.

This is the best way...be patient.

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 3:20 pm

another great day for Airbus
 
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Lufthansa Opts For Airbus A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 4:42 pm

Lufthansa opts for Airbus A380

By Tasso Enzweiler in Cologne and Gerhard Hegmann in Munich
Published: March 15 2001 20:50GMT | Last Updated: March 15 2001 21:30GMT



Lufthansa, the German air-line, is close to placing an order for 10 A380 super-jumbos with Airbus in a package that would be worth $5.75bn at list prices, according to Financial Times Deutschland.

Europe's second largest airline, which will also take options on a further 15 of the 555-seater air-craft, is still negotiating the pricing details with the Toulouse-based aircraft maker.

Airbus is thought to have granted discounts of up to 30 per cent off list price to so-called "launch customers" for the aircraft.

Lufthansa is likely to delay an official announcement of its decision to buy the A380 as it is involved in delicate nego-tiations with its pilots, who have asked for wage increases of between 30 per cent and 80 per cent.

The deal would make Lufthansa the 10th customer for the A380 and will take Airbus's total firm orders for the aircraft to 76.

Airbus launched the $10.7bn programme to build the superjumbo in late December after securing 50 orders from five airlines and one aircraft leasing company.

Airbus, which is owned 80 per cent by European Aeronautic Defence and Space company and 20 per cent by BAE Systems of the UK, has so far won all the hard-fought contests with Boeing in the last year for their very large aircraft.

Boeing, which is offering airlines the B747X, a stretched version of Boeing's 747-400 jumbo, has so far failed to secure a single order, raising doubts that the aircraft will ever get built.

The A380, which is due to enter service with Singapore Airlines in 2006, will break Boeing's monopoly on the very large aircraft market which it has held for 30 years with the 747.

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:03 pm

Anyone who dares to say that this is a very unreliable source? I don't think so. But I agree with those that we have to be patient and wait for the actual announcement. And who knows, they may be talking with Boeing about the 747x or 747xF.
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:04 pm

Yeah , its not a surprise they choose the A380 !! Great choice Lufthansa !!

 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:06 pm

Next up Thai airways!

$575 million per aircraft? Are they actually paying the list price?

With all the money that LH made last year and the year before that and the year before that it would be crazy for Airbus to offer more crazy discounts. They proved that people want the plane now charge them what its worth. I don't know if I like the fact that my taxes are going to helping a company sell an aircraft at a loss. In related news to LH it looks like Eurowings isn't a lost cause yet (check the latest news).

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:11 pm

I think the number stated includes options, as well as firm orders. And it says '...would be worth $5.75bn at list prices', so it will be worth less with the discounts airlines receive from manufacturers. Then again, nothing is firm, so let's cross our fingers.
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:11 pm

Will there be a non-launch customer for the A380?
 Big grin
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 5:57 pm

Archie, my thoughts exactly.

But anyone who thought LH might not buy the A380 (let alone get the 747X - LH are not idiots!) is wrong, since LH would have been consulted at every stage of the process and built with them in mind. Airbus don't spend $12 billion without asking around to see if they can sell some during the process. If LH had said all along they weren't sure or weren't going to buy it it's possible the plane wouldn't have been built. The Germans in many ways are more important to Airbus than the French, it's one of the main sites of Airbus airliner production and the manufacturer's biggest European market.
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:07 pm

LH is -since a few years already- one of the most profitable airlines in the world and for sure Europe´s best run.
Their Jumbo fleet is growing all the time. So its no wonder that the Super-Airbus will soon be theirs. They have been one of the key contributors of Airbus during the project development.
On the other hand I give the 747X-freighter a bigger chance for LH-Cargo. For their kind of often heavy and big cargo it should be the better solution than the Airbus A380F. And also its still possible if these order rumours are true that in future we´ll see also the 747X (non-stretch) flying with LHs passenger fleet. There is a huge gap between the A340-600 and the A380.
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:15 pm


CNN is also running the story, at

http://europe.cnn.com/2001/BUSINESS/03/16/lufthansa/
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 7:10 pm

Yeah, I just saw the story on the business segment of CNN's World News. I'm not surprised that Lufthansa is thinking about the A380, I flew on one of their 747s to Hong Kong in January and it was absolutely full - I mean, they fly there 8 or 9 times a week and still manage to fill a 747 in mid-January. I talked to one of the stewardesses and she said it was normal to be 95% full on that route, and in high season the flights are booked out months and months in advance. That is definately one route for the A380.
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RE:Atlas In Talks To Buy 10 A380F's

Fri Mar 16, 2001 7:19 pm

I know, this is old news. Just curious why no one posted here. Looks like we have a winner.

Atlas in superjumbo talks
U.S. freight carrier in talks to buy cargo version of Airbus A380 superjumbo
January 11, 2001: 7:29 a.m. ET


LONDON (CNNfn) - Airbus Industrie said Thursday it is in talks with Atlas Air Inc., the world's third-largest cargo carrier, about the sale of A380 superjumbo cargo planes.

Success for Airbus would come as an especially severe blow to Seattle-based rival Boeing Co. (BA: Research, Estimates), as it would be the first time Atlas, the world's biggest operator of Boeing 747 freighters, had bought Airbus planes.

Airbus has been attempting to break Boeing's 30-year stranglehold on the jumbo market. The European firm would not disclose the number of planes being discussed, but the cargo version of the A380 has a list price of $230 million.

Purchase, New York-based Atlas is one of 20 airlines that has been helping Airbus with the development of the A380. Fellow carrier FedEx Corp., the world's largest express delivery company, is also in talks to buy the Airbus A380-100F freighter.

Airbus would not comment on a Wall Street Journal report that FedEx would agree to buy 10 aircraft worth $2.3 billion in the next two weeks.

United Parcel Services Inc., the world's biggest freight company, earlier this week ordered 60 Airbus A300-600 freighter aircraft.

Atlas contends that the air freight market is set to boom as many passenger airlines, such as British Airways PLC (BA-), shift their fleets toward smaller aircraft on long-haul routes to try to use capacity more profitably.

Many of the A380 freighter aircraft will be used on routes between the U.S. and the Pacific Rim region. The aircraft, still on the drawing board, will have a capacity of 150 metric tons stored on three decks. Boeing's 747-400F can carry 118 metric tons.

Toulouse, France-based Airbus last month announced its decision to go ahead with development of the A380 after winning 50 firm orders for the 555-seat passenger aircraft from six operators - Air France SA (PAIR), Dubai-based Emirates Airlines, International Lease Finance Corp (AIG: Research, Estimates), Australia's Qantas Airways, Singapore Airlines Ltd. and Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic. The new plane will be the world's biggest passenger jet.

Boeing is trying to drum up interest in its own expanded jumbo airliner, the 747X, but has not yet announced any orders.

Airbus is 80 percent owned by European Aeronautic, Defense & Space Co. (PEAD), 20 percent by British weapons builder BAE Systems (BA-).
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 7:22 pm

Hopefully this is more than a rumor and we will see LH A380's . I really want to see the A380 become a sucess .
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 7:38 pm

Folks...

It's not a big surprise that DLH is - again - involved in rumors for future A380 orders. Lufthansa CEO Juergen Weber said last year, his airline definitely needs to get a VLA (i.e. A380, they never intended to acquire the B747X) within the next 5 to 10 years. I am expecting a confirmation and announcement out of Frankfurt soon.

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:40 pm

I won't be surprised that LH orders the A380-800.

The reason is simple: a number of long routes LH flies desperately needs a plane with the capacity of the A380. Routes such as FRA-SFO, FRA-LAX, FRA-JFK, FRA-JNB and FRA-NRT really need the plane on a year-round basis.
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Fri Mar 16, 2001 11:54 pm

and for when an US carrier.....lol
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:45 am

This is an order anyone with brains could have seen coming 380 miles away.
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:18 am

Ray,
No offense, but LAX-FRA and SFO-FRA weren't even in the top 50 U.S. intl routes (based on figures thru June 2000)

Source: DOT website.

JFK-FRA was in the top 15, however.
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:15 am

well, this comes from the financial times so i call it reliable news, but since there´s nothing official from LH or airbus, i´m not considering it a done deal, yet.
however, this number of 10 +15 planes seems quite high to me. LH officials often stated they needed a VLA in 5-7 years only on the routes from FRA to DEL, NRT, SIN and JFK, although there may be certainly more routes on which the A-380 could be used viably.
with 25 orders in total, if this comes to be, wouldn´t that make LH order the biggest A-380 order yet???

i totally agree that LH ordering the A-380 or the 747X was just a matter of time, and so i hope that we´ll receive some confirmation soon.
i could imagine that LH makes this official when they announce their exact financial figures for the last years, on April 27th.

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 7:29 am

I'm very happy to see that Lufthansa will have her Superjumbo!!!!
A380 is great!!!
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:26 pm

LH has to buy the 380. It is the national German airline and EADS is 37.5%(?) German. Anyone here who thinks this has nothing to do with it, or conversely thinks that LH would EVER buy the 747X is hallucinating hard on some very good acid. The story goes, Airbus hints that LH might have to pay profitable prices on the 380...LH leaks stories about talks with Boeing...Airbus says whoa you'll get the same price as SIA and LH says OK we'll take 10 danke.

Selling the 380 below cost for launch is the easy part, selling a single one over 200 units at profitable margins will be extremely difficult. All this champagne celebration will soon turn into a massive hangover. I have no firm sources, just a cracked crystal ball...
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:10 pm

Sorry, Wingman, but you're hanging in the 1970's... No chance that a national carrier acquires Airbus aircraft just because its country is part of the company.

Daniel

 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:46 pm

Notarzt, wherever your livin', it certainly ain't in this century......the division of the A380 worksharing was one of the most hard fought ever seen......it was divided according to who gave what, and Germany got what it wanted, and a little bit more I would think......if you think the national carrier is not obliged to buy these aircraft, then you are sadly mistaken......they will buy the A380, and they probably will buy the 747X Freighter, but there was never any chance they would not buy A380....the reprecussions for German industry would be immenese if they went the other way.......the Germans fought hard to have the A380 delivered from Germany, they are now having problems extending the runway because of environmental issues...the Airbus statement?....'if a satisfactory solution can not be rached in Germany, then we will find one in Toulouse...' ...the figting goes on, a slip on either side, and the other nations will capitalise on it.....
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:16 am

Is this also the cause, why most American major airlines buy B777 instead of A340? And I thought, it was, because the B777 was better ....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sun Mar 18, 2001 4:18 am

No, Lufthansa shall order the 747X-Stretch! The Stretch version, okay! The 747X is too small and too short. It's only 241 feet long! Long live the Boeing 747!!!!!!!
 
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RE: LH To Order 10+15 A380

Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:08 pm

Thanks AIRNZ_747-800 for your excellent post. Your well reasoned argument added so much to this thread. ........NOT!!!!

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