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First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:30 pm

I was just having a peak at the First Class interiors on BA, and was delighted to find a shot from 1981:


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Now look at the difference 20 years makes:


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If any of you have any First Class shots from yesteryear, I want to see them!!

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Jetboy
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:56 pm

hasn´t it changed?` well mayby not if they had fully flat 6´2 sleeper seats, personal cinema and eat whatever you want when ever you want 20 years back...

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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:03 am

Whats the seat pitch on that old Fclass? It looks like only around 40in. Nowadays you get at least 60in. And everyone complains about how air travel was so much better in the good-old-days. I'll take the flat bed ptvs or 60in.pitch anyday over 40in.

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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 12:12 am

yeh.....the seats look a bit cramp.......theer are at least 20+ seats in their........

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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:39 am

Hmm, so First Class has improved over the years, while coach really became a lot worse now than 30 years ago?

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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:42 am

Yeah...but you forget about the in-flight service. Ammenity kits have gone down the tubes, most airlines no longer stock the variety of newspapers and magazines they used to and meal service is not nearly as elegant.
 
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:59 am

I know most of us don't fly FC, but it's still interesting to look and discuss.

Agnus,
With you on the amenity kits, but still plenty of papers and all the usual mags (Economist, Newsweek, Time, NatGeo. etc.) available in F and J on all BA flights.
 
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:02 am

also those mag are available in Y class as well.........don';t they????
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 6:43 am

Hi CX

I don't think so. I know papers are definitely not distributed in W/Traveller (not enough to go round).

However, I think on domestic "shuttle" and Euro flights, papers are offered just at the entrance to the a/c in the jetway.

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Sun Mar 18, 2001 6:56 am

Well when i was on BA027 Hong Kong to London (747-436) we were given newspapers, magazines and a realy nice ameniti kit with wooden razor, shaving foam, socks, eye pads, toothbrush, comb, aftershave ect. The seats were realy comfortable and we had movable electronic leg rests as well. The seat went back a lot further than most flight's i have been on. Is this BA's new World Traveller service? or just BA's impecable service? we Had our own little cabin with only about 8-10 rows after J class.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 6:58 am

I own a small business and travel on airplanes at distances ranging from an hours travel to cross country Philadelphia to LA a few times a month. Currently I use USAIR and because of financial restrictions I purchase coach. I am aware that USAIR's seats are more expensive than other airlines because of strong unions. To get to the point, I am interested in what the best economy class on any airline, additionally I am interested in the airline with cheapest business class, or website to get cheapest business class. Thanks a lot!




 
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:18 am

I'm getting the feeling (from what some of you've written) that it's mainly the US airlines that have gotten worse. From my experience of travelling European airlines, I'd say the service is still very good in Y.
 
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:20 am

BA 747,

That's probably WT Plus. Never flown in that cabin. I see you are a BA admirer too. I salute you sir! Big grin

Yamamoto,

BA definitely does not have the cheapest J class. I have no idea when it comes to US airlines, but from the UK, a number of airlines provide cheaper premium fares:

Kuwait, Air India, PIA, Emirates, Gulf Air etc. In fact, my lecturer recently flew to NY with KU in Biz for a reasonable GBP807.

Best deals are found with Travel Agent's.

Try http://www.airnet.co.uk They have a few J class "bargains".

Cheers
CP
 
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:42 am

First and Business are definitely better than the old First class in the 1970s. In the 747s for instance, the Zone A cabin had 24 seats in the 70s, whereas in the late 80s with 60"pitch sleeper seats, most airlines had 16-18 seats. The old first class seats had a pitch of around 48", which is not much by today's standards. Of course, coach had a standard pitch of 34" then which is luxurious in comparison to today's standards. However, in the so called good-ol-days of air travel, flights made numerous refueling stops due to limited range aircraft, and drinks were seldom free in coach. Perhaps, the attitude of the crew was a bit more obsequious given the era, and flying First was definitely a big formal process, but flyers today are more casual even in First, and airlines have factored that into their service.
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:57 am

Not all European carriers have an excellent coach class service. I've experienced coach class service on Alitalia, Air France, and Lufthansa, and have found their product close to abysmal, especially on AZ. I would take the coach class service of Continental or Delta over any European carrier. And just so you know where I'm coming from, I've taken about 50 transatlantic trips in my career, and I have flown on just about every airline that crosses the pond on a regular basis, some who don't, and some who never will again.

IMO, transpacific carriers have the best premium cabins, European domestic has the best coach class product, and US airlines are nothing extraordinary, but they get you there safely and in some level of comfort. By no means are US carriers the innovators of long-haul travel, however.
 
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RE: First Class-Hasn't It Changed?!

Sun Mar 18, 2001 9:03 am

well.....i haven't travelled on any US or Europe base airlines....i mainly fly with CX and they do provide newspaper and mag to Y class passengers...i'm not tring to make CX look good ok...but from reading posts from other members....can i say that a lot of the Asian base airlines provide better services than those from Europe or the US?????

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