caetravlr
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DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 2:43 am

Alright guys, this is a quick question. I know this has been discussed before, I just want to verify some information. I am scheduled to fly DL's 767-400 service to HNL late next month. I was just wondering, does this aircraft have PTVs in coach? I remember hearing that it does, and wanted to verify. If so, that will be quite nice.
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thevalley
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 2:57 am

The PTV's are in Business Class only. The airplane is new and clean, but the seats are pretty tight for that long of a ride!

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caetravlr
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 3:01 am

Thanks for the info!
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 3:11 am

I've seen many pictures of DL's 764 interior but i didn't see any PTV's in economy class, so the answer would be no. Correct me if i'm wrong anyone
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caetravlr
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RE: DL 764 Question, One More Piece

Tue Mar 20, 2001 3:13 am

Ok, so I was wrong about the PTVs, that does stink. I am guessing that only applies to the 777s. That in and of itself might make it worth flying UAL instead of DAL. Do the 767-400s have the power supplies for laptops in all classes of service? I swore that I read somewhere that the 764s had some sort of cool amenity even in coach. Any info is appreciated!
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:23 am

I've heard something about DL's 764's having some new seat adjusting equipment. Apparently, you can adjust your seat via buttons or something like that... Maybe someone else can provide some more insight.
 
GTPILOT
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:30 am

I have flown on one of DL's 764 and had a pretty good experience. No, there were no PTV's but they had the same remote style entertainment thing that is in the 777 that pulls out of the arm rest. I guess when they start using them for international service they will put the PTV's in. The seats were also quite snug!
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:15 pm

I was on a DL 767-400 last week from SFO to ATL. Whoever designed the interior of Delta's 400's ought to be fired. They should have put PTV's in coach. They placed the seat controls on top of the arm rests. The flight attendant call button is right where one's elbow rests. For four hours all I heard was ding, ding, ding. The lavatories have no convenient waiting place. The seats are too close. They placed huge 'window's between coach and first, for no apparent reason.

 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:22 pm

*shudders* I think all the delta's 767 have that little dinging problem=P I remember the -200 in their fleat have the FA call button on the inside of the call button...every time someone tried to open up their legs and get some semblance of comfort ...*DING*...the FA were obviously agitated by this...but on the elbow rests!?...who makes designs like that?...I mean the overhead configuration has got to be the best for all those little buttons=P
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:24 pm

Careful....not all United's 777 are equipped with PTVs in coach. Some are the standard overhead monitors.
 
flashmeister
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 12:17 am

DL is about to spend big bucks redoing interiors of 764s, and I believe 777s.

The 777 I flew on DL last year had the same constant-ringing problem... that's awful.

It was also the tightest seat squeeze I had ever been in. They're apparently not doing much about that, though.

It's a crime that DL didn't put PTVs in a new, long-range aircraft. How cheap can they be? I love DL, but they're getting cheaper and cheaper as far as service is concerned.
 
mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 1:10 am

DL's Ecomonomy Class upgrade is well under way on the 767-400 line with 4 out of 16 aircraft modded already. The Passenger Control Units have been moved to side-facing in stead of top facing, and 3 inches have been slimmed off the back of the seat for more personal space. The IFE control box underneath the seat has been re-orientated to provide more leg room underneath.

The 764 is a domestic aircraft flying %80 percent of its flights under 2 hours in stage length (obvious exceptions are ATL-LAX, ATL-SFO, and ATL-HNL). Although I don't agree with the decision not to put PTV's on the seats in coach, its not necessary due to the weight increase and fuel burn required to carry all that extra IFE equipment around.

The pitch for the -400 is no less than any other domestic aircraft in use with any other carrier.

Anyways, my two cents.
 
jim
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Answer For Jrlander

Wed Mar 21, 2001 2:58 am

The 'windows' between 1st and coach are there so that the F/A at the L1 door can verify that all pax are seated during taxi / takeoff. FAA requirement.

Jim
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 3:04 am

I flew a 400 from atlanta to tampa last year. It is true about the call buttons. You spend the whole flight trying not to hit the dang button. I could not imagine sitting in the plane for a longer flight though. The seats were the most cramped I have ever experienced on any plane. My flight was only about an hour and a half and it felt like a 12 hour flight the way my body felt from the cramped conditions.
 
mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 3:58 am

Ditto Jim, the direct view panels are FAA required and you'll see them on most airlines with mid-cabin class dividers. AAL 777 has them as well. They are there for TT and L and then raised during cruise.
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 4:54 am

To clarify the first post, no PTVs on the aircraft period. And it is first class not business class.
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mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 6:40 am

Actually to clarify this last post, the DL's 764 does in fact have PTV's in first class.

As a general note, Delta's two-class service is divided into Domestic: First Class and International: Business Elite (Business Class).
 
jrlander
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 7:20 am

Per an earlier post, the "windows" were not closed for the flight. They remained open, allowing the front cabin of coach to see just how much better service the passengers in First were receiving.
 
Continental777
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 7:25 am

I flew on one 2 days ago from MCO to ATL and I found it to be quite comfortable. There was ample legroom for me to stretch out my legs and relax. The lack of PTV's will hurt on longer flights. Personally I thought the interior design was great.
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 7:34 am

How much weight does IFE really cost? I mean come on... I can see it for flights ATL-MIA/MCO/FLL etc... but ATL-HNL? There damned well better be IFE onboard.

Delta: Wake up! People are going to demand IFE on the long hauls - either put it in the 764s or fly 777s on the route!
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 7:44 am

First, i confess that i didnt read most of the replies......

Anyway, the 764 has no PTV's, but it does have leather headrests in coach.... nice feature, and yes, the seats are kinda small. The worst choice i made was gettin a seat near the FA station. Ding Ding Ding, and the FA came over and bitched at me, but not anyone else.. hmmmmm. nice A/C execpt for the button problems. At TPA when I rode one, the capt used full reverse and brakes, even on the longer runway,(i forgot which one) we stopped in about 3500ft. Amazing landing.

Good Day, Amtran727 Big grin
 
FlyVirgin744
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:25 am

To clarify the post after my clarification, Delta does not have PTVs in first class of their 764s. I have walked through the cabin myself, and even the Delta website says they don't. As quoted from the DL page, "Select B767, B-777 and MD-11 flights also have In-Seat Video available in BusinessElite™." Notice it says Biz Elite, so the only 767s with PTVs in Delta's fleet are in the Biz Elite cabin of the -300s.

http://www.delta.com/travel/during_flight/inflight_ent/movies/index.jsp

Unless they've been installed since January, no PTVs.
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 9:24 am

From what has been said here it seems like Delta have some Customer Concerns. YES THAT CALL BUTTON IS A PAIN IN THE A$$! And if I were you CAETravlr I would take UAL where you will on doubt have better chances at getting a 777 flight with PTV's. Delta's 767-432's have horrible seat width, and the pitch is no better than average.

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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 9:27 am

The 767-400 needs higher thrust GE CF6s like the type used on the A330 models with 72,000lbs max thrust for better takeoff and climb performance with a full load.
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Wed Mar 21, 2001 9:50 am

No PTV's in F/C on the 764??????? Good, now I can stop doing all those four hour software loads for the video games............
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Tedski

Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:56 am

Again you amaze me by your "Educated" post's.

The 767-400 needs higher thrust GE CF6s like the type used on the A330 models with 72,000lbs max thrust for better takeoff and climb performance with a full load.

Did you happen to realize that the A332 weighs 265,000lbs, while the 764 weighs in at 228,900lbs? The 764 only seems a bit underpowered to pilots when compared to the smaller 762 and 763. TEDSKI, the 764s takeoff and climb performance are fine too. Infact, Boeing is even going to fit the new 764LR with Trents and EngineAlliance GP7200s.

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mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:20 am

LOL...right on DL-Mech!

I can't help myself from laughing anymore, I need to clue them in, its just too funny of the naivity. The DL 764 F/C seats have In-Seat Video arms that pop-up from the front. Apparently you didn't take a close enough look at the seats upon your walk through.

Your going to add roughly 8500-10,000 lbs to each aircraft by adding the monitors, the feed forward cables, Video Distribution Boxes, additional Video Control Center equipment, and additional ships wiring. Thank god we already have the infrastructure of haveing the Phone/game controls, in-seat harnesses, seat-seat cables, seat-disconnect cables, orignial VCC equipment, Audio/Video Unit underseat boxes, or Delta would be adding an additional 40,000 lbs.

Gee apparently IFE equipment is quite heavy afterall.

 
Continental777
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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:33 am

The 767-400 is definitely not an underpowered aircraft. When I flew from MCO-ATL the plane was completely full and the takeoff was very powerful. Delta made a fine choice with their engines.
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:48 am

If the 767-400 weighs less than the A330, then why does the A330 have more range than the 767-400?
 
0A340
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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:20 am

It's the wings!

The 332 has the same wing as the 333, 342, and 343, plus features the xtra -center- fuel tank of the 343. Therefore, compared to the 764, has much larger lift potential (TOW), as well as fuel capacity.

This is why the 332 rocks!

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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:18 am

I have never been on the 767-400, but I know what you all are talking about with the call button problem. I have been on Delta's 777's and L1011's and it sounds like a game show in there. Either that or there is always a unlucky passenger locked outside the plane and keeps on ringing the door bell  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 12:09 pm

Ryefly....you are very correct in that the 777 has the same problem that the 764 has. They are both being converted to side-facing Passenger Control Units in the next 2 months. However, the L1011 has no in seat IFE equipment, so the problem does not exist on the L1011.
 
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Mikeymike

Thu Mar 22, 2001 2:48 pm

It really doesn't matter where they place the buttons for the call button or the lights. If they are on the arm rest people will hit them by accident a lot more then overhead. The L1011 has its controls on the arm rest, as does every wide body I have been on. The last time I was on a L1011 the bell went off atleast 50 times from ATL to MIA. I know there is not much they can do with the older planes, but I think perhaps they should place the buttons on the seat back in front of you or something. On night flights when its dark, its hard to know what button is which on arm rest. They could atleast illuminate the buttons. Newer planes could tie in the buttons with the IFE system. I don't know but on top or inside the arm rest just doesn't seem the best place since most people are touching that part of the seat the most.
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Thu Mar 22, 2001 2:53 pm

No, it does not have PTV's in coach.

Rgds,
Early Air
 
mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Fri Mar 23, 2001 7:12 am

True ryefly, some of DL's L1011's still do have the PCU's located on the seat, I stand corrected, however, IFE/PCU's is not necessarily a function of whether the plane is a widebody or a narrow body but rather a function of the seat design and the customer airline. (This I pretty much think you know anyways). None the less, if the call button is design correctly by the IFE manufacturer (i.e. recessed buttom insdie the control unit), your going to eliminate the problems of people accidenally dinging the button. Now I do agree that no matter what you do to the call button on an in-seat PCU, if the control unit is top mounted, you will get more accidental dinging then side mounted. Yet, when it is side mounted you will receive substantially less accidental elbow dinging. Majority of the accidental dinging is by people pushing every button to figure out what they do, or with kids fooling around. Yet the one thing you must understand is that on a wide body aircraft, especially a MD-11, 747, or 777, due to the size of the fuselage, if you placed the call button on the PSU rack, no one would be able to reach the button if they we're sitting in the center column of seats. I don't believe the answer is taking the call button out of the armrest, but I do believe that removing the PCU's from top mounted to side mounted solves a majority of your issues.

Yes, there are NO PTV's in E/C. True statement Early Air.


 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Sat Mar 24, 2001 12:37 am

I believe that the window between First and Coach remains open in flight so that passengers sitting in the front of the coach section (in front of the movie screen) can see the wall mounted screen in the front of the first class cabin. This, of course, because Delta didn't think (or was to cheap) to put a small monitor on the bulkhead in coach like other airlines do (and like our 738s have).
 
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RE: DL 764 Question

Sat Mar 24, 2001 1:26 am

Thanks guys for all of the responses. My fiance and I, who are flying back separately, have bulkhead seats on the way back. However, on the way out, which is a much more crowded flight, I am considering spending the FF miles to upgrade us both to first. This would be especially nice since this is an all day flight, and the return will be a red eye, when we would rather be sleeping anyway.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
 
mikeymike
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RE: DL 764 Question

Tue Mar 27, 2001 12:07 am

with regards to why the F/A's didn't close the "Direct View" Panels between first and coach, I can't say why, although it is proceduralized in the flight manuals. However, I can tell you it has nothing with viewing the screen in first. (you might have meant your comment as a sarcastic joke purduearrow, which I actually thought was kinda funny, but i'll just comment anyways).

None the less there are voerhead video montiors in the aisle for all of E/C customers anyways.

Ciao,
Mike

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