jkelley480
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Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 8:57 am

Boeing's main argument against the A380 has been that they think there will be more point to point air travel and less "hub" travel. Today Boeing announced they are moving their corporate headquarters partly because they want to be in a more central location. This, they say, will make it easier for business travel--better connections, etc. I my opinion this supports Airbus' view that the A380 is viable in the marketplace, as it will ease runway congestion and save airlines money. What do you think?

P.S. When Boeing says "a more central location," I ask: More central to what? Many of their biggest and best customers are in Asia. Seattle is certainly closer to Asia than Denver, Dallas, or Chicago.

P.P.S. I suppose it does not really matter where the corporate headquarters are, the business will run just as well no matter what the location of those calling the shots. It is a symbolic gesture though. To me it symbolizes their hastiness and lack of foresight. And, as N766AS said, it is a slap in the face of Seattle and the people who live here. Thanks a lot, Boeing.

 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:06 am

I do not see how this in ANY way supports your thesis that Boeing agrees with Airbus about the A380. Please explain in further detail how relocating their executive headquarters parallels with Airbus's decision to go ahead with the A380.

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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:11 am

What is this going to do with moving their offices? I am sure there is no other reason apart from lowering their costs.

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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:35 am

Central with respect to their major operations in Seattle, Long Beach, St. Louis, Kansas City, Philadelphia, and perhaps a few that I have left out.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:46 am

Dallas is certainly central to three very good customers: WN (at DAL), AA (at DFW), and CO (at IAH).
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:48 am

..."...the company would seek new, global opportunties from a headquarters in a "culturally diverse" city that offers access to global markets.....

I see where your point is, it's going to a new corporate centre, so we aren't talking centrality with respect to plane parts, they're talking with respect to people....

Seems like a very irrational move...must be something else behind it...."....we have determined that our headquarters needs to be in a location central to all our operating units, customers and the financial community....."

Could anybody tell me what they mean by "central"?


Rgds,
WB
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:12 am

Widebody, no offence, but you seem to think everything Boeing does is irrational.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:27 am

When you decide to dig up your corporate headquarters from the city in which you were founded, yes, I call it irrational.......when you weigh up the for's and the against's, they must have had strong for's to do it.....even for you Boeing747-400, it must seem like a surprising decision.....but then again, if Condit told you to jump, you'd ask how high, and wait till he told you to come down.......

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P.S. I had to look up the word 'irrational' in the dictionary to see how to spell it, today is my first time using the word.......sorry to burst your bubble on my opinion of BCAG.......
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:29 am

I'm sure they have a good reason Widebody, and yes, it surprised me too.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:33 am

I've got to agree with Widebody on this one. It doesn't seem to make that much sense for Boeing to move from the city where it was born. I'm starting to think that Condit's head is stuck really stuck far up his ass.
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:43 am

What's this whole thing about the need to be central? What is so important that it requires this move? i know what it said in the press releases, but what can be achieved elsewhere that can't be achieved in Seattle?
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 12:54 pm

Have we all forgotten how all the major airlines moved their headquarters away from NYC to their respective cities? I wouldn't call UA's move to Chicago, AA's move to Dallas (and so on...) irrational. Maybe Boeing really does have a legit reason for wanting to move out of its hometown.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:24 pm

Boeing has a presence in 26 states. By moving the HQ to DEN/DFW/ORD (hub cities all) Boeing will save a great deal of travel time ("time is money") and expense each year. Also, as a % of total employees in the greater Seattle area, the loss of 1,000 Boeing jobs is hardly an abandonment of their hometown. (Unless, of course, you're one of the 1,000.)
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RE: Iahcsr

Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:32 pm

Considering that Phil Condit and the other people in the corporate HQ don't travel on the airlines, why should they care if they are in a hub city or not? Condit and the other top execs travel in private jets when they are traveling on business for Boeing and don't really care where they would have to make a connection since they don't have to!
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:56 pm

This argument rests on some of the worst logic I have seen in quite a while. Please... many corporations move their headquarters for numerous reasons (as Watewate pointed out with his two airline examples and I can add TWA's move to St Louis from NY). Everyone keeps running around trying to predict where they will move and why. The where is anybody's guess, but the why seems clear to me. Boeing in Seattle screams commercial aircraft. Boeing is trying really, really, really (you get my point) hard to shed thier image of being a company that only makes commercial aircraft. If they can get their HQ out of Seattle, then they may just be able to prove to the world that they truly are a company that is expanding into other fields. To me it just seems like a highly symbolic move to show everyone (especially businesses that aren't interested in their commercial planes) that they are dedicated to their entire array of products. This may not be the best move for Boeing's commercial aircraft, but for the entire Boeing company, this seems like a great way of diversifying. This has nothing to do with the A380 or any other topic you can think up related to airline travel. Sorry if you disagree, but that's just what I read of the whole thing.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 2:42 pm

Where is Boeing moving?

 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:24 pm

Isn't one of the reasons they are moving is that the power bill in Seattle is getting way too high. Electricity is expensive, and could be cheaper elsewhere.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:48 pm

Saying that Boeing execs all travel by private jet is bollocks! Maybe Condit on a 'state visit', he'll turn up on a 737NG-BBJ but believe me everyone else flies commercial. For god's sake, why wouldn't they? It's hardly necessary for salesmen, auditors, safety specialists, consultants etc to fly in a private jet when their equivalent numbers at, say, Starbucks fly AA, UA, NW etc.

It never occurred to me but I bet it is a pain in the arse for Boeing people (and expensive too) to have to fly to Seattle, adding a couple of hours extra to their journey time every time they hit the road. Moving the corporate HQ out of WA makes loads of sense to me, for many reasons stated by other contributors but primarily the cost of travel. The electricity question is an interesting one as well.
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Tls?

Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:55 pm

Maybe they move to Toulouse?  Big grin

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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:47 am

Are you out of your mind. Boeing's biggest customers are AA and United. All the city mentioned have close ties to either United or AA. chicago for example is UA's headquarter and a major Hub for AA.

 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:55 am

Boeing is moving its corporate hedquarters to either Denver, Dallas, or Chicago. To the best of my knowledge they are keeping their commercial heaquarters in Seattle, Space operations in Long Beach and their military orperations in St Louis. Each of these divisions are going to be cheifed by CEO's. Planes are going to continue to be built in Seattle, not everything is moving. And it really isn't a slap in the face because Seattle is booming and Boeing moving some employees elsewhere isn't going to have a severe impact on the city.

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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:48 am

Texas doesn't have state income tax, correct? There is one reason more for Boeing hq to be moved to Dallas. When you think from managements' perspective, its easy to see the rationale. Many other tech companies have moved their parts from Arizona into Texas.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:48 am

Texas doesn't have state income tax, correct? There is one reason more for Boeing hq to be moved to Dallas. When you think from managements' perspective, its easy to see the rationale. Many other tech companies have moved their parts from Arizona into Texas.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:50 am

Texas doesn't have state income tax, correct? There is one reason more for Boeing hq to be moved to Dallas. When you think from managements' perspective, its easy to see the rationale. Many other tech companies have moved their parts from Arizona into Texas.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 6:49 am

hey WN boy, IAH is houston, not dallas
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 7:01 am

Lets get something straight. We now live in the high tech computer era were distance just doesn't matter. You have video conferencing and live online communnications. The world is smaller today than it ever has been.

Yes, Boeing does have some large U.S. customers in Texas but that is a mere drop in the bucket when you look at the world wide market. This is clearly a financial move... Boeing is looking for tax breaks and incentives in a move. That is why they haven't announced where they are going, they just left it up for a bidding war between states and cities. Whoever gives Boeing the biggest financial incentives will have themselves a large corporation at their front door.

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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 7:05 am

Maybe......it has something to do with the huge energy crisis that will soon impact all of the West Coast.
 
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RE: Boeing Agrees With Airbus!

Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:48 am

are they moving their manufacturing processes or just their headquarters?
if its just an office move i dont see what the big deal is, are they going to close down the plants there?
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