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Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 7:04 am

Since the DC-10 came into service many years ago, it has been labelled a dangerous aircraft by a lot of people after several crashed such as the Turkish airlines crash at Paris and United airlines flight 232 in Iowa but these crashes were due to different events. Was there a design flaw in the DC-10 or what? Personally i think it is an excellent airctaft.

What do you people think?
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 7:06 am

There were originally some design problems in the original -10 series...but the -30 and -40 series aircraft are very very safe, and as far as i know have a near perfect safety record.
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 7:09 am

You could write a book about the design flaws with the original DC-10 design, but to the credit of McDonnell Douglas they not only corrected them in the later series of aircraft but completely eradicated them in the MD-11 design. That was a quality engineering outfit, albeit not the most economical one!  Smile
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 8:34 am

The P&W JT9D powered 40 series that was only ordered by Northwest and Japan Airlines has the excellent safety record over all of the other DC-10 models.
 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 9:34 am

B747-437B: just to countinue your post.

... Then MD screwed Md-11 all up with the 40% smaller stablizer, and a little less range, than expected. LOL.  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 12:21 pm

DC-10 is a great safe plane. When ever I fly I try to book on one.
 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Sun Mar 25, 2001 4:22 pm

As I recall then AA ceo Robert CrAAndell said that he was completly dissappointed because The plane could not fly a full payload to it's expected destination and guzzled way too much gas as well. Wall ST Journal did a report on it's safety record in the late September 2000 issue. The MD-11 had an inciden/accident rating worse than the DC-10 and was equivelant to the DC-8 and 707 after only 9 years of service!!! FEDEX pilots I talked to from EWR, ANC and MEM had called it the Scud, Mega Death 11 and the Deathstar and actually went back to flying A300s, DC-10s and 727s to avoid that plane. The plane according to DL, AA and FEDEX pilots was too damn sensitve becase of the smaller rudder and stabilizer and that you needed a fighter pilot's mentality to fly it. The problem was so bad that Delta execs wanted an MD techinican in the flightdeck with the pilots during the first month of revenue service. The 11 was so unpopular that it sold much less than the DC-10 in terms of passenger liners.
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 12:47 am

They did write a book on the DC-10's safety problems: It's called The Rise and Fall of the DC-10... pretty interesting read!

 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 12:57 am

TEDSKI,

You aren't by any chance a tabloid journalist ? You are very economical with the facts, you seem to have overlooked the fact that far fewer -40's were built than all the other models, consequently they will be involved in less incidents.
 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 2:38 am

True, the 40 series was less popular, but I believe the reason the 30 series was more popular with airlines is due to the fact that airlines had other CF6 powered aircraft (like Lufthansa & KLM did), such as the 747, A300, & A310 to share the same engine commonality.
 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 8:35 am

the 40 series was more or less a domestic version as NWA uses the 30 for international flights to AMS, DEL, BOM and other places. The 40 was used in the US. Why was the 40 so unpopular?
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 8:50 am

the big reason the -40 was less popular than the -30 is that is didnt have the range and it was more expensive.
JAL and NWA had reasons for wanting a PW powered DC-10, mostly so it would be less of an oddball (both had JT9 powered 747s).

the -30 had enough range to make routes like LAX-HKG if need be. the -40 struggles to make LAX-NRT.
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 9:50 am

No DC-10 has the range to make LAX-HKG nonstop. LAX-NRT is pushing the DC-10's range.
 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 12:48 pm

Cba, LAX-HKG is possible on the DC-10-30 with a reduced load, the distance is about 6000nm. Canadi>n operated regularly YVR-HKG and YYZ-NRT with the DC-10, distance is about 5600nm.
 
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 2:12 pm

I work at Fedex as a mechanic and never encountered a crew calling the MD11 the scud, deathstar etc.
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:18 pm

I agree with B747-437B. Douglas did a good job correcting the DC-10. I think if Mr. Stonceipher had concentrated on improving the company and correcting the MD-11 problems, and not giving the company to Boeing. It would have given the 777, A340 and 330 a run for the money like it did at the begining.

But this is just my oppinion.
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RE: Question About DC-10 Safety

Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:30 pm

FDXmech; I don't know the exact date but try locating the link to the Wall St Journal published late September 2000. You'll see on what I'm talking about.
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