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747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:31 am

Do you think that the 747-X will ever be built? I don't because the 747 idea is tooooo old! Boeing needs a new plane like a 787 that has 2 full stories and is as long as a 747 but is 2 seats wider in the main cabin area! I think Boeing needs a new concept to show Airbus who is Boss! Any thaughts?

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Mr. 717
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:55 am

I could swear you posted an identical topic barely a week ago.... called Boeing 787

I believe in the 747X - or nothing. Boeing would be stupid to invest $12-13 billion on a new project. The market is barely big enough to sustain one such megaproject - having a second one would result in a race similar to that of DC10 and L1011 - which would be ruinous. Boeing will come out laughing in the end if they bring out the BWB 10-20 years before Airbus, around 2025-2030 - but until then it is wisest to stick with derivatives.

Regards

Ikarus
 
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RE: Ikarus

Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:00 am

My 787 message somehow got deleted before anyone replyed!

Regards,
Mr. 717
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:02 am

Go 787
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 12:17 pm

I agree with you 100% mr.717. The 747 is a 30 year old design that is streched to the max (the 747-X), that plane will have no more potential. While, the A380 is an all new design with a lot of potential to be stretched and updadted. If Boeing wants to compete with the A380 they need a new double decker design.

Rgds,
Early Air
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 12:27 pm

Boeing is stuck in the same position as they were when they developed the 747: their current design was stretched to the limit (707-300).
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 5:56 pm

The B747 was never stretched so the 747X is the first try. Its the 777 that´s stretched to the limit (even beyond if you ask me for aesthetics).

I believe there´s enough life in the 747 left.
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:25 pm

Folks...

You really need to come off the "old design" hypothesis. What are you talking about? The general design of today's aircraft? No? The design of the B747 itself? Yes? The outer frame of the new B747X versions will be one of the very few features these will have in common with earlier B747s. Boeing will incorporate a completely new interior into this B747X project - not only seats and cabin design but also cockpit, avionics... everything. In fact, the B747X is a completely new-technology aircraft inside an old airframe. You think this makes the B747X a derivative of current B747s? Not likely. If you don't like the "old frame, new aircraft" idea... well, that's you point of view. Airlines are much more rational - and we'll see if they accept the B747X. One way or the other, Boeing should not invest $10,000,000,000 and more to design an all-new aircraft if they can keep costs low for an old but new B747X!

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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 8:21 pm

What about the 737 NG then if you think the 747 is old? The 737-fuselage dates back to the 707 and is therefore 12 years older than the 747! Its rediculous if you think the 747-"Idea" is too old. Classic aircraft design including the 777 is very similar. What is more dated on a 747-fuselage than on the 777-fuselage? Nothing. Maybe the wing, the major aerodynamic part of an aircraft needs a major redesign after 30 years, but thats what Boeing is doing on the 747X! The new engines will be one generation ahead of the 777, the interior brandnew.
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 8:25 pm

Airlines are wary of investing a few billion in the final derivative of an aircraft type. I predict the 747-X will not be built, unless Boeing do it purely to stop ANA and JAL falling into Airbus territory. Other traditional 747 customers / Boeing stalwarts such as Thai will probably go A380 anyway (hey, if Qantas can anyone can). But building the 747X for ANA, JAL and Koreanair will make the 757-300 or the 767-400 or the 767-200NG look like bestselling cash cows by comparison. Who else is gonna buy it? United? Don't bet on it, they love Airbus products and being Airbus' biggest customer, they'll probably get a discount that will make Air France's eyes water.

I predict the 747-X will not be built.
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:41 pm

The Porsche 911 is around 40 years old. Would you call the current 911 an old model that needs replacing? The analogy also applies to Boeings 747. The only real thing these models share with the originals is the basic shape. If you are naive enough to think that the 747 needs replacing because the original came out 30 years ago, then you must agree that the 911 must also be replaced since it is " so old". This is ridiculous. During these years , these models have gone constant refinement that is impossible with "brand new" models.

-alitis
 
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RE: 747-X

Mon Mar 26, 2001 11:10 pm

Cedarjet,

To be honest... your points are not very convincing, to say the least. However, your personal opinion is your personal opinion - nothing more, nothing less. But now that you've mentioned it: even the A340-600 makes the B757-300 and the B767-400 bestsellers, right?! Big grin

Just to put your attention to the other side of the Atlantic as well!

Daniel
 
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RE: 747-X

Tue Mar 27, 2001 2:23 am

I so glad to see there are people out there that think that the 747 is NOT an obsolete design. The 747 has dominated the skies for 30 years. The only thing that will be the same between the 747-100 and the 747X aircraft will be the skin. Even the entire wing is going to be redesigned now. It will have an airfoil like the 777. Not the same wing, just the the same airfoil. (cross section) I totally agree with Alitis. Just refine the best machine in the business. Why replace the best with an unknown?

I'm not a real aeronautical engineer, I just play one on Airliners.net.
 
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RE: Mr. 717

Tue Mar 27, 2001 3:21 am

If I'm not mistaken Mr. 717, your username has been deleted twice in only a few days. Now that must be a record!

Anyways, Boeing is taking a low-risk approach which is rather sensible considering they are making lots of money with their smaller aircraft. I think they are now content to hand the mantle of "super jumbo" to Airbus while concentrating on more profitable models.