wolfy
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The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:22 pm

What are the most profitable short haul routes with the highest capacity of demand in the world? I think it is HKG-TPE, that's what they called the "GOLDEN ROUTE". Are there any others? I mean less 500 or 600 miles routes, what about YUL-YYZ, CDG-LHR?  Smile
 
watewate
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:23 pm

BOS-LGA-DCA
 
CVG777
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:27 pm

I would guess any domestic Japanese route.
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:27 pm

Frankfurt to Munich is huge. about a flight every 20, minutes
 
wolfy
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Japan...

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:31 pm

Yeah, I guess Tokyo to Osaka is a busy route too! :P
 
StarAlliance
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:43 pm

I think Sapporo to Tokyo will be more profitable. Although the frequency of flights are lower than the Osaka-Tokyo route, but the airlines (JAL,ANA,AirDo,JAS) usually use the B744(that can sit about 500 passengers) and B777 to serve the Sapporo-Tokyo route. So, they are more profitable.
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:51 pm

New York City to Flordia?

DOH
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tito
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:56 pm

DEN-ASE, ASE-DEN although only 126 miles are United's second highest yield routes in their ENTIRE system. (High income clientel + high load factor)



 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 2:10 pm

Houston to Dallas.
CO has tons of IAH-DFW flights, and American has plenty of DFW-IAH flights. WN flies IAH-DAL, HOU-DAL, CoEx flies IAH-DAL, ASA flies IAH-DAL and HOU-DAL. Too many daily frequencies to count.

I amagine that a full 764 on the ATL-MCO flight is profitable.
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 2:39 pm

Atlanta, GA to Gulfport/Biloxi MS. Both airlines I have worked for (AirTran and ASA) both fly this route and have very very high load factors (close to 95%). Everybody likes to gamble down on the Gulf Coast. Another profitable shorthaul is Atlanta to Orlando. Between AirTran and Delta, there's 27 flights a day to Orlando.
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 2:51 pm

How about OGG-HNL? Aloha has about 31 roundtrips a day and Hawaiian has 30. In addition United, Delta, Northwest and Pacific Wings flies this route. (I'm not sure on the frequency of those)
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 2:56 pm

Dallas to Houston is a biggie......perenially ranked in top6 or 7 markets in the country in terms of passengers boarded.....241 miles DAL-HOU. WN has 33 trips a day DAL-HOU and 7 DAL-IAH.

The real prize is probably from the Los Angeles area to the San Francisco/Oakland.....not even looking at San Jose.....WN has 61 trips a day across there in each direction (24 LAX-OAK, 15 BUR-OAK, 1e ONT-OAK, and 8 SNA-OAK).
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 3:12 pm

In Spain is what they call "air bridge" from Madrid to Barcelona.
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 3:38 pm

LAX-SFO, BUR-SFO, LAX-SJC, ONT-SJC, ONT-SFO, BUR-OAK, LAX-OAK and SNA-SFO are high traffic in California.

Big777jet


How about LGA-DCA and DFW/DAL-IAH/HOU?


 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 3:39 pm

Dallas-Houston is very profitable, however with WN, walk-up fares are pretty low (less than $100 each way) while advance purchase fares tend to be around $100 round trip. Consider NYC-BOS (similar distance) walk up fares are much, much higher (right around $200 each way, advance purchase fares $200 round trip). So I guess I'd have to agree with Watewate on this one.

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wolfy
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International Short Hauls...

Tue Mar 27, 2001 3:40 pm

Any other international short hauls? I think it is very easy to have high capacity in domestic short hauls, but for international flts, there are not a lot!  Smile
Thx everyone for da info!  Smile
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:01 pm

London airports to AMS have about 56 flights a day each way including 757 and 767 service. This number is rapidly increasing with new flights by Easyjet. I would say any European destination to London are very profitable. And lots of transfer pax. God only knows how many flights go between London and Paris in a given day.
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:08 pm

The BA "Super-shuttle" from LHR to MAN,EDI,GLA,BFS. I am sure those routes are profitable. Also BA routes to CDG,AMS,BRU I would imagine are profitable
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:09 pm

Before Impulse came on the scene, MEL-SYD was almost a licence to print money for QF and AN. Even now they both have services at least every half hour, generally utilising 767s. It is still hugely profitable with many of the pax in peak times being full fare.
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 8:03 pm

I would think the London to Zurich and London to Frankfurt flights would be highly profitable also, especially in biz classes.
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ckw
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 10:14 pm

Although many v. busy routes have been cited, a lot of these are aggresively priced, cutting the profit margin - I'd suggest looking at some of the captive regional routes for high profit - eg. flights between any two UK regional airports. Usually only BA regional flying the route, usually full, exhorbitant fares!

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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Tue Mar 27, 2001 10:37 pm

I would guess it would have to be the BOS-LGA-DCA shuttles. BOS-LGA is 191 miles for $202. It's kind of like a license to print money.
 
wolfy
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Another One...

Wed Mar 28, 2001 8:37 am

A friend of mine who is a travel agent just told me that SIN-KUL is another money maker as lotta Biz travelers fly this route just like taking taxi!
By the way a cheap, discounted ticket bought from the travel agent with group rate from TPE to HKG costs approx USD$300-400 for only an hour flt! +_+!
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 8:50 am

Ckw is correct: the question is the most profitable route, not the route that earns the most gross income. If I had to guess, I would say that it would be something flown either by United Express into DEN or Comair into ATL. Both would be tremendously profitable (per available seat mile) because of the high fares coupled with the low labor costs.
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 9:15 am

You may don't know but Rio De Janeiro-São Paulo is real busy
SDU-CGH
every 20 minutes and every 12 minutes in the peak hour.
 
wolfy
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Ckw

Wed Mar 28, 2001 12:58 pm

Interesting point! Thank you Colin! ^_^

Regards,

Wolfy
 
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 1:52 pm

Alaska has a monopoly on many routes within Alaska and betwen Alaska and the lower 48. The fares aren't exactly exorbitant, but they do reflect the lack of competition.

For example, the three hour SEA-ANC is more of a medium-length flight, but it must be a very profitable route. The flights are generally full, especially in the summer, and summer-time 14-day advance purchase fares often run in the $450-550 range. AS has something like 20 flights a day in the summer, and competition is relegated to one narrow-body flight each from DL, UA and CO.

AS has been able to compete against airlines like Southwest and United Shuttle on routes in the lower 48, often sustaining minimal profits or losses. They have been able to offset small losses on certain routes through the profitability of the routes to and within Alaska. AS gets a lot of feed for their flights to Alaska from their own flights up to Seattle, and also through their array of mileage partners.
 
wolfy
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Alaska

Wed Mar 28, 2001 9:33 pm

EIPremier, yeah I agree and I don't even think there is any flt operated from Canadian cities to Anchorage except the Charter Canada 3000 and a "TECHNICAL STOP" from Cathay from Toronto en route to Hong Kong.
 
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RE: UK Regional

Wed Mar 28, 2001 10:35 pm

Consider Southampton and Leeds - about a one hour flight on a BAe Jetstream - price @£300 or @$450

I could fly to any major US city for that!

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Colin
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wolfy
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Regional

Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:20 pm

Yeah I think most of the regional routes where they use small or tiny aircrafts are expensive, such as some flts within Northern Quebec or Northern Canada... A 2 hours flt from Ottawa to the north could cost more than 600CAD$ "AFTER SEATSALE"!!!

Geez... I think I'll never be able to go up to the north and visit!  Sad
 
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RE: Regional

Thu Mar 29, 2001 2:45 pm

I know what you'ra talking about Wolfy, I live in Abitibi and that's almost 450$ to go to Montreal on a little Dash-8 !
For a 1-hour flight, that's the same price then when you go to the other side of the Atlantic !

BTW, I prefer, unlike my mother, to go to Montreal on a 6-hours car's ride for 100$  Smile

Air Alliance, an Air Nova division, who's also by itself a partner of Air Canada... Competition ? Never heard about it for the last 2 years  Innocent

P.S.: Sorry for my poor English, I'm better in french  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: The Most Profitable Short Hauls In The World?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 2:50 pm

Karachi- Lahore, Lahore- Islamabad, Dubai- Karachi, Toronto-New York, Kabul- Peshawar.