avman
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NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:35 pm

A contact in New Zealand told me last night that NZ was getting 3 or 4 777s. He wasn't sure which model. He thought that they would replace a couple of 774s. Perhaps these 774s will end up going to AN.
What do you think?
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:39 pm

774? It should Be 744
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:43 pm

Avman,
how reliable do you regard this source? I gather by 774 you mean 747-400. So you are saying NZ will reduce capacity by replacing 744s with 772ERs and AN will acquire capacity by gaining some NZ 744s. Are these new 777s or from SQ? What is the time scale for any such moves? NZ only has 8 744s with some powered by RR and others by GE. To give 4 of these to AN and acquire 4 777s would add a lot of expense to maintenance on 2 types. I would like to see them get a decent fleet of 777s(8-10) to make the aircraft more viable in the overall fleet.

Dale.
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:51 pm

Sorry, I did mean the 744. I think NZ will get more 777s than 3 or 4. My contact was pretty sure that some 744 would be replaced.
I was thinking out lound about the 744s going to AN, I think it is a good possibility though.
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 5:12 pm

AN would only be interested in NZ 744s if maintenance for them was conducted in AKL. AN's existing 744s are PW powered so they would not want to gear up for more 744s with RR or GE. I think AN's preference would be more PW 744s from SQ.
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 8:11 pm

All shall be revealed very shortly!!

Cheers
mikey
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 8:16 pm

Interesting.. the scrappy gossip I've heard at the moment suggests the A340 has the advantage over the 777!

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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 8:42 pm

 Insane

How did i guess that the plan would be in here.

How shortly, if you are going to keep teasing us  Smokin cool
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 10:53 pm

Air NZ and AN has had SO much gossip surrounding it recently, everything from A380s to AN & NZ merging under one name to AN going under, to a totally new fleet.

So far all we have seen is 3 old 767-200s being leased to Ansett. I think we should all wait and see what else comes before rushing to conclusions (me included).
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Tue Mar 27, 2001 11:29 pm

ANZ actually wanted to give its SYD-LAX route to AN, so this could explain that ANZ receives some 777 and gives some 744s to AN for these flights...

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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:34 pm

When will we find out if ANZ gets any 777's?
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Wed Mar 28, 2001 10:40 pm

First of all i am not a pig,  Insane i am actually a Buffalo >>Nganabaru<<, my brother is a Crocodile >>Baru<< and my girlfriend is a turtle. Second of all i never said that i dont beleive you, i do beleive that Air NZ have something special up their sleeve. it is just that some of us are getting sick of hearing the same thing over and over. "all shall be revealed shosrtly" would that be reffering to the new stratergy? Sorry if you thought i was having a go at u.  Innocent

I do support QF but whos to say i dont like Ansett? I also Support Royal Brunei, They are not linked to QF. I like QANTAS because they are Australian, just the same as you like Air NZ. I was not having a go at Air NZ or Ansett. How do you know QF dont trust their employees ?? Most large airlines dont.

Eric
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Wed Mar 28, 2001 10:53 pm

P.s. I was not being a smart arse when i said that i was a buffalo, it is my dreaming

well not much of a smart arse any way
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 1:17 pm

Thanks for clearing that up!!
The thing that i get upset about is all the Australians and some americans think the AirNZ have not thought this thorugh!!
Of course they have!! I didnot mean any disrespect to you. I do agree with you in that you like Qantas because you are Australian and I like AirNZ because i am a New Zealander. But just stupid things like.... "AirNZ are going to be in big trouble when Qantas get the A330."
Of course AirNZ/AN have thought this through!! God do you think that they are that dumb?? We have the ex - Qantas CEO and look what he has done to Qantas!! Made them one of the biggest carriers in the industry!! And may i add one of the Best!!

The reason why i say.... "All shall be reaveled soon," is because they are have a big announcement soon!!

Have a Good day!!

Cheers
mikey
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 4:15 pm

Look, if they get them or not, It will be good because it may cause QF to get off their backsides and improve their product with a little competition from NZ.
 
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Airnewzealand

Thu Mar 29, 2001 4:25 pm

It already has been announced that the flight SYD-LAX is going to AN in the coming months!!

Funny, I don't remember seeing anything that says that SYD-LAX is going to AN. All I have heard is that AN is hoping to start SYD-American flights (NOT TO LAX) with their own metal.

So, can you please tell me where this announcement you talk of comes from?

And please don't tell me your sister....or is this announcment part of the big announcement coming soon from NZ (part of their plan I take it?)
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 4:50 pm

NZ don't have any cash for anything brand new do they?? I think something secondhand from somewhere may be how they do this. If I happen to be right then NZ won't buy 777's because I don't think there are any available secondhand 777s. 744s & 763s are on the cards I suspect.
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 7:13 pm

ANZ has SQ as it's part owner and SQ has stated that they will help both ANZ and AN in fleet purchases.
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 7:50 pm

No, Actually it was reported in the Sunday Herald.
You will most probably find it in their acarive section at their Web-site.
Also it was announced on Channel One news and Nightline!!
Sorry if you are not up to speed on this but that is your problem and not mine!! Please don't go bagging me!! I really don't appreciate it!!

By the way, You were right, SQ only bought a percentage of AirNZ for AN!! Sorry that i doubted you!!

Cheers
mikey
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 9:24 pm

Was Gary Toomey really the ex CEO of QF? I thought James Strong was the ex CEO....

Can someone shed some light please?
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 9:45 pm

G Toomey was the deputy CEO of QANTAS, not CEO...

rgds
Jimmy

PS Why are all you guys discussing the AN/NZ/SQ matter now... we've been doing this for a long time already!! And it would be good if we all wait for the big NZ announcement... I'm REALLY looking forward to that  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 9:45 pm

Gary Toomey was the ex CFO (Chief Financial Officer) of QF.
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 10:22 pm

Airnewzealand, I just wish you would tell us what it is they are going to announce. All we hear is that they are going to make an announcement & there has been no announcement to date.

If you know something there is no reason why you can't tell us.
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Thu Mar 29, 2001 10:54 pm

The NZ-AN SYD-LAX transfer comes from an interview on Business Sunday. It was not a firm announcement but an advisory.
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Fri Mar 30, 2001 8:03 am

will AN add more flights or will they kept the same number of flights per week as ANZ?
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Fri Mar 30, 2001 5:52 pm

The survey marketing says that ANZ should stay on the LAX-SYD route, as they have a very good profile (say who was just voted BEST airline in the world in the UK??).

AN will be used to increase frequency and capacity on the US-Australia route, but not necessarily SYD or LAX.

Ther has been NO announcement re the 777 - with the weakness in the $ in Australia and New Zealand, the Airbus offer to pay in Euro's is very attractive, except that ANZ/AN will probably lease from a company that charges in $us anyway.

The only way that ANZ will go permanent Airbus (as opposed to a short term lease) is if Airbus carries the financing themselves, something SQ is not happy about.

By the way, the new A.N.Z.A.C. B777 model looks very nice on my desk.

OZ777
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Fri Mar 30, 2001 7:06 pm

How about ansett doing a BNE-LAX Now that would be nice.

OZ777, What the A.N.Z.A.C. livery supposed to look like. This I find hard to believe.

Ryanair, How did you find out the Business Sunday program, this is the channel 9 one right. You profile says you are based in England, are you in Aus or you got this program from one other means.

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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Fri Mar 30, 2001 7:36 pm

I think that NZ and perhaps even AN will lease 777s from ILFC. NZ already lease 4 744s and a few 763s from ILFC who last fall ordered 25 more 777-200ERs. I also think a BNE-LAX with a 777 would make a lot of sense for AN. Or perhaps a MEL-LAX instead of UA flying the route? I do think the 777 is a better suited aircraft capacity wise on MEL-LAX than the 744. I guess we will just have to be a bit more patient regarding any new order/lease from NZ and AN. The777Man
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Fri Mar 30, 2001 8:44 pm

There seems to be a lot of jargon going on in this forum. I also saw an interview with Gary Toomey recently, "Ansett needs to look at expanding to the US and Europe where the Ansett brand is strong". I certainly don't think that that means in the next few months. I would say the end of the year at best, if not mid-2002. Ansett can't do anything until they have new aircraft. SQ is not in the position at the moment but soon will be (if they find pilots to fly them). The latest rumour is the A340s to join but it would be a huge disadvantage for Ansett seeing as QF has 3-daily 744 services. The A340 is much smaller and so bitterly slow, it would take another 90 mins or so for it to get to LAX compared with the 744. Let's hope they get 777s from SIA. WIll Qantas know about them if they are used on domestic flights! Let's hope Ansett can recover and compete with Qantas better.
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Sat Mar 31, 2001 12:24 am

Definately!! BNE-LAX nonstop on AN777s! That's just fantastic. They really should look at that! Or even BNE-LAX on A340s. Either way! as long as there's a nonstop flight from BNE to LAX...

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Regards
Jimmy
 
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RE: NZ To Get 777s

Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:43 am

First of all......
AN will not be starting up Europe till maybe end of 2002. No where near this year.
America is set for September.

The due date for the announcement was 25th of March but has know been extended to sometime in April.Who knows for what reason?? Maybe they have not finalised a deal yet??

Gary Toomey is or was Currently in Europe. But this was for the Lufthansa/AirNZ/AN cargo arrangement. Or could it of been??

AN loads are doing much better know and are gaining back Customers. They still are not doing to good on the SYD-BNE route with only about 1/2 the plane being full.

As i have already said, the PTV's are being postponed to a later date than expected.

Have a good day
Mikey

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