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767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:16 am

Ok... Can anybody help me...

I was wondering if there is ANY way to distinguish the 767-300 from the 767-300ER on it's outside physical features, especialy for Delta. I've looked at pictures, and have thought that there was a different windowconfiguration on the two... but then I look at other pictures, and there are like 5 different wondow configs for the 763. Well, I would appreciate any help. thanks
 
airbusluver
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:22 am

There is no visible difference (i am pretty sure). The only difference is added fuel tanks and a higher MGTOW.
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:30 am

Airbusluver is right there are now visible differences between the two, just fuel load and MTOW
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:44 am

thanks guys! but what is MTOW and what exactly is different about the fuel loads?

thanks again!!!
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:46 am

With Delta this is a difference with the old, old, scheme. Look for a US flag on the near the top of the vertical stabilizer tail, the domestic 767-300 donot have it. On the New old scheme as well as the new scheme their is no physical difference I hope this helps ya out.
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:51 am

MTOW is maximum take-off weight, and the 767-300ER has more fuel tanks in it. The ER also costs more, which is why some airlines choose the 767-300 over the 767-300ER. It depends on the routes you want to fly.
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:51 am

The 767-300ERs have a higher MTOW
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 7:06 am

DL`s 763s have GE CF6 engines, while the 763ERs are Pratt PW4000 powered...
This will certainly help to distinguish between the two...


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airbusluver
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 7:15 am

The ER's do have a higher MTOW.
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 7:27 am

United has it a funny way. Although they operate solely -300ER's, some are used in domestic configurations. All are ETOPS certified though.
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 7:28 am

To compilcate things even more...

All 767-300s have GE CF-6's
Some 767-300ERs have Pratt and Whitney PW4060s
AND... the newer 767-300ERs have the GE CF-6.

Plus I have never been able to externally tell the difference between the CF-6 and the PW4000 series and the newer JT9D-7R4G.
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DesertJets

Wed Mar 28, 2001 8:09 am

You are right, along with a few ex.Gulf Air 763ER with have the GEs. Actually you have it backwards, the P+W4000s are newer than the JT9Ds  Smile
The way I tell (And I don't get it every time either) is the GE engine seems to be more fat and longer, especially with the exaust cone. Can't tell the difference between the JT9 and the 4000 either.
The best, Tom
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:43 am

I think one way you can identify an ETOPS-certified 767-300ER in DL livery is to look for the ETOPS lettering on the landing gear doors.

I do know that all UA 777-200 planes are ETOPS certified and have the ETOPS lettering printed in small letters on the lower front of the fuselage.
 
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 12:01 pm

Look for the fuel dump nozzles and the large forward cargo door in order to distinguish Delta's ER's. These are options on other airlines' ER's, but all of DL ER's have them (including ships 1701-1707 domestic ER's). There are also a few P&W4060 powered domestic airplanes (1401-1404), these were ordered because GE stopped building the CF6-80A2 engine (Delta did not want the C2 engine at the time).

In order to be able to distinguish the P&W from the GE, look for the precooler outlet on the silver (aft) part of the engine nacelle. It is a dark gray outlet with three fins on it. It is on the left side on the P&W engines and on the right side on the GE. An easy way to remember this is to think P=Pratt=outlet on PILOTS side of the aircraft.
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RE: 767300 & 767300ER

Wed Mar 28, 2001 12:11 pm

Delta's 767 fleet and defining what is what is an exercise for the sharp eyed. One has to know what a GE versus PW look like.

To be complete, DL has:

A considerable number of 767-200's powered by GE CF680 engines. (Remember the "Spirit of Delta".. N101DA or N102DA?) *domestic routes only*.

767-300s with GE CF680 engines used on *domestic routes only* (discernable by 2 large exits (one fore/one aft) and 2 small overwing "plug exit" doors config)

A small 767-300ER's with GE fleet. CF680C2 engines used. Aircraft deployed on international routes, Acquired used from Gulf Air (discernable by with three large door (2 large doors fore, 1 aft of wing nearest tail and 1 smaller "hat rack" door in between -behind the wing exit-)

Sigh...(G)

Then comes the PW 767-300ER fleet (which I believe are the largest # of 767-300s at DL) powered by either the last generation of PWJT9D or newer generation PW4000 engines, which look identical to the GE 767-300 domestic fleet, other than the engine contouring and shape.

That's got to be a peckful for Delta fleet ops to keep an eye on no? I wonder what their maintenance costs are like. (G) Apparently this was a dual engine maker contract that satisfied the two US competitors at the time, Delta opting to use the more reliable (in their view) PW's for long range ER/ETOPS routes and the GE on shorter range, domestic services.

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MAC

 
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A Spotters Guide To DLs 767s

Wed Mar 28, 2001 2:20 pm

I am bored enough to do this... this is all from Bill Harms Jet Census.

767-200, ship# 101-113 GE CF-6-80A
767-200, ship# 114-115 GE CF-6-80A2
767-300, ship# 116-139 GE CF-6-80A2
767-300, ship# 1401-1404 PW 4060
767-300ER, ship# 1501-1506 GE CF-6-80C2B4 (ex-Gulf Air)
767-300ER, ship# 1602-1613, 169, 1701-1708 GE CF-6-80C2B6F (newest of Delta's 767s)
767-300ER, ship# 171-199, 1200, 1201 PW 4060
767-300ER, ship# 1521, GE CF-6-80C2B7F (originally ordered by Continental)
767-400ER, ship# 1801-1815, GE CF-6-80C2B7F

I hope this all makes sense. The PW powered -300ERs were Delta's early 767-300ER deliveries... the GE powered planes order by Delta were there more recent -300ER deliveries.
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