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Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:25 am

Northwest's 747-200s are aging, and Northwest will need to find a replacement soon. Is Northwest looking at planes such as the A340 or possibly the 777-300? When Northwest's fleet renewal plan finish up, there will be a large gap between the A330-300 and 747-400(Assuming they will get rid of the 747-200 by this time) This new plane would probably be used for some Pacific Routes and maybe some Atlantic routes.

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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:33 am

There is a possibilty of the A340-600, but it will most likely be the 747-400 to replace the 200's, as they have already ordered 2 more 744's.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:36 am

747-400? Isn't that a little too big? What about smaller-density routes like SEA-KIX, and Asia-KIX/NRT?

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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 11:58 am

Since they've placed an order for 36 A330-300's, I think that makes A340-600 is the favourite to replace 742's.

Maybe they will take a closer look at the A346 when it enters service and then decide. Will NW operate RR powered a/c???

The 777-300 is already operated by many airlines as a 747 classic replacement. Are we talking about the -ER because that can only be ordered with GE90's right???

It looks like NW can't get their preferred P&W's for their 742 replacement!!! Big grin
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 12:07 pm

NW operates some of the newst 747-200s out there, so I doubt there is a plan for replacement right away. When that does happen, it will probably be the 747-400 as previously mentioned. As for the concern of them being too big? That's whole reason they fly them! They fill them on their cash cow flights to Asia. The 744 is already in service for NW on the intra asia flights.


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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 1:08 pm

Isn't the A330 & A340 the same plane?
One with 2 engines and one with 4 engines the only difference.

I hope they stick with the 747s.
If they consider anything smaller, I would hope they would go with the A340.
There are no US A340 operators yet and I wish one would start!
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 1:11 pm

I read in the company news that NW will probably look at the 777-200 as a replacement for the 747-200. Not for a few years, though.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 1:24 pm

OH NO! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 1:37 pm

I usually hope for Boeing when it came to Northwest finding widebody replacements, but I'd like to see some diversity for a US airline and I hope they get the A340-600. I, too, would like to see an A340 operator in the USA. I really doubt the 777 series will be in the Northwest fleet becauase NWA has the A320 family and the A330, so don't worry.

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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 1:40 pm

Many other airlines operate both 330 and 777 series of jets, so I wouldn't discount Boeing.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 5:43 pm

NWs official statement is that there are no plans to retire the huge 747 classic fleet. Half of them are anyway less than 20 years old so NW is in no hurry. The majority of the DC-10-fleet is older. You can still expect some Classics by the end of this decade in Northwest´s fleet.
I guess that they will be replaced slowly with 747-400s and later with a mix of 747X and A340s. The 777 would be the odd one out and is very unlikely.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 5:49 pm

They have so many B 747-200s but only about 18 B 747-400s.

I think they should replace the B 742s with B 747-400s. Why? Coz the B 747-200s are being used on ultra-long haul flights with high capacity as well. Therefore, that would be an ideal replacement for the B 747-200s

 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Wed Mar 28, 2001 6:23 pm

For replacements of NW B742s !! There are 2 choices !!
B777-300ER and A340-600

I go for the A340-600 . Since they operate the A330s , i think the A340s is more likely choices and besides to cross the Pacific , a Four-engine plane is the best choice .

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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 12:52 am

I think NW has two ways to go in regards to replacing their 747-200 fleet.

They could buy the 747-400, but I think NW may be looking at the 747-400ER and possibly buy as many as 20-25 planes over a four year period.

It's also logical that NW seriously consider the A340-600, too. After all, NW pilots that will be qualified to fly the A330-300 will be able to be qualified on the A340-600 with only a few day's familiarization in a simulator given the near-identical setup of the A330 and A340 cockpits. Also, gate handling facilities that will be used for the A333 will easily apply to the A346, too. Again, this could be a 20-25 plane order.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 2:50 am

If Airbus offers to NW a P&W 4000 series engine on the A340-500/600, they will order it. With the P&W 4000 series engine on the A340-500/600, it will share cockpit and engine commonality with Northwest's A330s. If NW goes for the 777 they will order the 200ER model with the P&W 4000 series to share engine commonality with their A330s and 747-400s.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 2:58 am

When I was waiting for boarding of KE002 in Narita, I saw very bizarre scene! 4 NW jumbo parked by terminal 1, one another was on remote apron, the 6th was taking off, just next another landed! None of them was -400, it's very contrast that I'd seen 7 UA -400s at that time.

I wish NW orders 340, but DC-9 is older.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:03 am

Explain to me why that is so strange?

Is it because United decided to retire the 747-200s a few years earlier than NW did? Let's not forget that UA is a much bigger airline and has a lot more money to order all those brand new 747-400s with.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:07 am

Just for the record, NW´s 747-200 fleet has an average age of over 21 years, DC10s are 25 yrs on average.

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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 6:21 am

Many here highlight the commonality the A346 would have with the A333s.
Well....
If they go with the 744 or 744ER as their 742 replacement instead of the A346, those will have full commonality with the 744s they currently operate...
But the A346`s awesome cargo capacity may be an important factor....


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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 8:57 am

NW can go either way with the A340-500/600 or the 747-400ER. I think the A340 will be the right choice because it is technically far advanced than the 747 with the FBW flight controls and cockpit commonality with their A330s.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 1:12 pm

I REALLY hope NW orders a mix of 747-400ER and A340-600. It would be a very good mix.
 
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RE: Nwa747-400

Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:01 pm

Even I have seen a post written 'Does NW have plan for replacing aging 744?' Don't be shocked for -200 replacing. They're quite old by so-called 'industrial standard'.
 
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RE: Nwa747-400

Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:04 pm

They should buy all new A340s. They would look beautiful in NWA livery.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 4:47 pm

Anyone know if there is any chance we could catch a A330 flying the SFO-MSP/DTW/or NRT routes??? I think that planes gonna look great in NW colors
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 5:05 pm

21 years is still quite old for airlines outside the US. NZ has got rid of their 742s, and the first of them was delivered in 81-82....anyways I think they'll get 744s eventually
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Thu Mar 29, 2001 5:33 pm

I compelety agree that 21 is no spring chicken, but in the US it's not that uncommon. NW just seems very cautious when making big announcements and seems to always end up with a good deal on the purchase.
 
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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Fri Mar 30, 2001 5:39 am

People seem to not realize that the industry measures age in the amount of cycles the airplane has. A cycle is defined as a set of take off and landings. Therefore a 21 year old 747 that might make 1 cycle a day, could technically be "younger" that the WN 737 or the AA MD80 or any other short haul airplane, that makes several cycles a day. Remember that the more cycles per day = more wear and tear. That's 10 flap retractions, gear retractions, power advances etc... a day, which will take a toll on the plane.

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RE: Is Northwest Looking At A 747-200 Replacement?

Fri Mar 30, 2001 6:45 pm

I don't mean that Northwest MUST retire all its 742. If it's safe and economical enough it's better to maintain. And 744 - still much worth to buy.

But DC-10 is phasing out. NW must the alternatives for this veteran.

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