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Olympic Airways

Thu Mar 29, 2001 3:30 am

What do you think of Olympic Airways.Ever flown with it?What do you think about it's planes.? Safety?
Thank you
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Thu Mar 29, 2001 6:09 am

it is an ancient airline in today's standards, well, just about everything in Greece is so right?

By far the worst airline I've ever flown on.

They're probably safe, all airlines are safe so long as they have serious mechanics, pilots, fa's and well kept planes. (and I don't mean the interior quality and/or color scheme, for if these were indicators of a safe plane, I would avoid flying OA alltogether)


the A340 is a fab plane, my favorite. but even that doesn't make their flights bearable.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Thu Mar 29, 2001 6:13 am

Very good service, and now with the brand-new airport in Athens, finally a decent experience on the ground.

Brand-new long haul 340s with PTV even in economy, 300-600 for major European routes and lots of classic 737s. Excellent safety record. Suffers from lack of alliances and state-run mentality.

Hope you'll find this useful
http://www.olympic-airways.gr/


 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Thu Mar 29, 2001 6:39 am

The only major airline i have ever flown. Not bad, although the new 340s are unbearable for a 10h flight. So cramped inside. Although many cases of rude FAs, the service is very nice most of the times. It could get better if it wasnt state owned.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Thu Mar 29, 2001 9:02 am

OA is okay. I'm half greek and have to have some pride in it, but there are by far better airlines. I'm not a fan of the A-340 (no offense, personal opinion.)

The service is fine, some rudeness sometimes (but not as much as AZ). The new airport in athens is supposed to be nice. If anything arrive a little early and expect delays.

Some see lines, others see between the lines.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Thu Mar 29, 2001 9:57 am

The best thing Olympic can do is to trade in its four current CFM56 powered A340-300s for new RR Trent powered A340-500/600s with almost the same passenger capacity as their retired 747-200s. These new powerful high capacity A340s will be needed on the busy JFK to ATH route and in 2004 when the Summer Olympics are held in Athens.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Fri Mar 30, 2001 8:42 am

Dear TEDSKI,

No offense (I really don't mean to offend you) , but my observation is that you have something with the RR Trent. If not all, at least 80% of your posts is a Trent spin. Even more, you lament the loss of the 747-200 capacity with the arrival of the 343s in OA and have proposed the 346 in more than ten posts.

Just check the news: How many pax were aboard yesterday's flight 424 that landed first in the new airport? To help you, the answer is a ...whopping 78, or a 26% load factor for the 343, which would have been a miserable 19.5% had the flight been operated with a 346.

To be the devil's advocate, sure, during the summer peak there is no seat left on the 411/412 flights. How about the 415? the 423? The 105? The 473/475? And who says that capacity cannot be increased by added frequency and alliances? Only the JFK flight is daily. All other destinations are served with 2-4 weekly flights, which are not not even nonstop. What if (in my wettest dreams) OA joins a serious alliance and then flyes into -say- UA's hubs in IAD or ORD in addition to the JFK flights? What if the 415 flight increases frequency and becomes just a BOS-bound flight?

To satisfy your RR-iasis, yes, I like the 717 subfleet idea. May they lease a few more and give SKG a real chance to connect directly with Europe's destinations.

I would like that OA enters the 332 world with Trents or any other engine that would make financial / technical sense. A fleet of 4 to 5 332 would nicely replace the 306s by the year 2004, when the existing 306 fleet will be about 15 years old (yes, I know that the SX-BEM is on a 10-year lease), help supplement frequencies to the non-core transatlantic destinations, and open new ones, much like EI did.

Also, I would like to see them doing something PFQ about those oldies, the 732's. I have not seen anything re the pending 737NG lease with GECAS. Is it still up in the air? The first ones were supposed to join the fleet in June. Much as I would like to see the 320 family, I can't stand seeing OA flying such old planes.

My long 0.02 Euros.

PS: You are right about AF, though. They can't stand RR, and they have a strong affection for anything powered by GE/Snecma that happens to fly.

 
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OA340

Fri Mar 30, 2001 9:26 am

I am not offended OA340, after seeing last week the roll out of the new A340-600 with those large RR Trent 500s, I said to myself, that plane in OA colors would look terrific! I also heard that GE/Snecma is working on a new CFM56 engine for the A340-300 with 38,000lbs thrust. This engine will provide the necessary power for takeoff with a full load on board.
 
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RE: OA340

Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:28 am

Dear Tedski,

I also heard that GE/Snecma is working on a new CFM56 engine for the A340-300 with 38,000lbs thrust. This engine will provide the necessary power for takeoff with a full load on board.

 Smile

Are you suggesting that the 194+ currently flying 340s with their existing powerplants (not all of which being
CFM56-5C4 , some are fitted with the older CFM56-5C2s and -3s) cannot take off with a full load on board?  Big grin

Seriously now, I don't doubt that stronger powerplants will enchance lift performance, and enable a MTOW upgrade. Yes, you will see it lifting faster, capable of going further. So what? For the 4,928 mile ATH-JFK is well into the 340's ability with full payload AND 19.3 t of cargo. Check http://www.airbus.com, Our Products, Performance.

Larger/stronger engines (with similar specific fuel burn) will only increase fuel burn in such a case due to increased cross-section/drag.

 
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RE: OA340

Fri Mar 30, 2001 11:03 am

Good Airlines....BEST PILOTS IN THE WORLD.......Service doesnt suck if you sit in First Class......I hear that coach is horrible.......But besides that Oa is close to destruction unless they think fast.....if Oa wasnt state owned I think Olympic would be one of the best airlines in the World.....Well see in the upcoming month........Regarding the 732s.....Oa has a year to get rid of them........they are too old.......They were suppose to purchase 738 i think but money problems made them cancel orders......With the new airport Olympic will have to do something with itself.....And also now that Olympics 2004 are coming soon OA will be the airline most people will travel to Greece so they will need new everything!!....Regarding the a340s......Oa doesnt need anything bigger than the a343. Oa wanted to get rid of the 742 cause it wasted so much fuel etc........the a340 is perfect size for them.....yes I know that all the flights are booked in the summer....So Oa could just put more flights like they usually do.....I think this summer coming up they should have 2 flights per day at JFK since all tickets get taken before MAY!!!>.....Well this will make more people happy......the 717 is a great aircraft....That was a good decision....Also from what i heard 1 742 will still be operated also this summer....maybe to NY....I would love that but I dunno........Well All i know is that Oa is the best airline.....just has a few things to be fixed....in the next Decade you will see OA evolve.!!!>....thats my word......

 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Fri Mar 30, 2001 12:07 pm

Are there any restrictions with the A340s as far as weight limits on baggage? With the higher thrust CFM56s the aircraft will have higher cruising speed and be able to keep up with the other wide-body types like the 747, 777, DC-10/MD-11 & L-1011.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:45 am

Are there any restrictions with the A340s as far as weight limits on baggage? With the higher thrust CFM56s the aircraft will have higher cruising speed and be able to keep up with the other wide-body types like the 747, 777, DC-10/MD-11 & L-1011.



Sorry to dissapoint you again, Tedski.

Here are some interesting figures, worth more than 1000 words.


http://www.airbus.com/img/products/A340_300newyor.gif

http://www.airbus.com/img/products/graph_A340-300.gif


And to the interesting topic of engine trust and speed, the answer is "It is the wings, stupid!". Specifically, the wing's sweep angle determines aircrafts optimal operating airspeed. The 346 wing has increased sweep angle to 31.1 degrees from 30 degrees over the 343 wing. This enables an optimal operating speed of 0.86 Mach.


Another example: Take the B727 and the B757. The former has less trust but larger sweep, allowing it to almost a 0.9 Mach, the latter much more trust but less sweep, allowing only a 0.82 Mach optimal operating speed. I hope you are convinced now and delinked engine trust with cruising speed.


My 0.02 Euros.

George

 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sat Mar 31, 2001 2:35 am

Apologies for the incorrect URL. I also recommend that they be opened in a new window. The correct ones are:



http://www.airbus.com/img/products/A340_300newyork.gif



and

http://www.airbus.com/img/products/graph_A340-300.gif



 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sat Mar 31, 2001 2:53 am

Does anybody know the current disposition of OA's 747's {SX-OAB (28yrs old!),C,E}? Apparently, SX-OAD (Flame) is the only one used for occassional passenger service. Just curious if the other ones were sold, stored or are ready for the torch.

-alitis
 
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OA340

Sat Mar 31, 2001 3:19 am

OA340, I am not an engineer to know about wing sweep, all the information I get is from forums in this website. All I read from these forums is that the CFM56 A340-200/300 has a slow cruising speed where it can't keep up with the other wide-body types. All the wide-body types that I flew on the 767-300, 777-200ER, & L-1011-250 had a very quick takeoff roll and climb. I really have to fly on a CFM56 powered A340 to know exactly what it feels like to judge it's performance.
 
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RE: OA340 Performance

Sat Mar 31, 2001 3:51 am

OA340, I am not an engineer to know about wing sweep, all the information I get is from forums in this website. All I read from these forums is that the CFM56 A340-200/300 has a slow cruising speed where it can't keep up with the other wide-body types.

Time to correct some misunderstandings, then. True, the 340/330 have slower optimal (economic) cruise speed than early generation wide-bodies, which were all designed when nobody had heard the word "energy crisis". Since the mid-80's though, there was enough awareness so that cruise speed was lowered to a more economical 0.82 Mach by lowering the wing's sweep angle. In fact the B767 and B757 are amongst the slowest - yet so successfull - modern jet airliners. Also, the A300 has relatively slow cruise, since it was originally designed for short hops.

Currently, the B777 is a tad speedier than the 343 - the latter sharing the same wing as the 333, which again, was designed for up to 5,000 nm sectors. That is why the 340NG wing was slightly modified (in addition to a 20% area increase) to a 33.1 degrees sweep, since these birds are for the long to ultra-long sectors.




All the wide-body types that I flew on the 767-300, 777-200ER, & L-1011-250 had a very quick takeoff roll and climb.


Well said, indeed all twins must have more climb power during takeoff compared to quads. This is so that in case of an engine failure during takeoff, the remaining 50% power be sufficient to lift the plane. In the case of quads the remaining 75% has to be sufficient. Clearly the 777 has lots more trust than it's equivalent 343. But you must compare the 50% of total 777 power to the 75% of total 340 power to make arguments regarding under-power.


As a passenger, I have flown a lot and on most current narrow-body and all wide-body types. So far, climb feel from inside the cabin was most enjoyable for the tail mounted MD-90. But personal experience may vary greatly with actual load, meteo conditions, ATC clearance, not to mention what seat someone is seating... Try a seat all the way to the back in a 727, and there is a totally different story to be told!



Hope this post clears more questions than it raises. Again, my 0.02 Euros.
 
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RE: OA340 Performance

Sat Mar 31, 2001 6:52 am

I did sit in the back of a NW 727-200 by the engine on a flight in 1988 from Memphis to LGA, it is a noisy uncomfortable area to sit.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sat Mar 31, 2001 6:57 am

Does OA have a plan or is prepared to handle the large demand for travel to Greece for the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens? I know that they have options for two more A340s.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 1:58 am

When (if ever) is OA going to start having service from JFK to SKG using the smaller 767-300ER or A330? Many Greeks in the USA have family members living in Northern Greece (Macedonia) who would prefer to fly directly into SKG instead of flying into ATH and catching another flight to go to SKG?
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 2:45 am

I once read the MOTION inflight mag of OA that said that 340s were bought in order to increase frequency to all destination using a bit smaller aircraft. They were saying that they were supposed to have 10 340s by the end of 2001! That would work. It seems that due to financial problems they have decided to make one step at a time. They were very ambitious back then.
 
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Lewis

Sun Apr 01, 2001 3:20 am

Hi Lewis, what is your opinion on the new RR Trent A340-500/600? Could you see OA purchasing some of these advanced high power high capacity versions of the A340 in the future?
 
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RE: Tedski

Sun Apr 01, 2001 3:45 am

I like the 343 but not as much as the RR trent powered 500/600. They seem to hide more power in their huge engines. They would look very good in OA colors and they could join the existing 340 fleet to be used for high capacity routes. My parents told me that the 343 is very disappointing during climb. They have worked for OA for many decades in all aircraft of its history. During climb, they felt as if the aircraft was struggling to gain altitude. Many of my father's colleagues that have flown the 343 (he was retired and didn't fly them) say that the engines can easily be described as 4 APUs with the thrust that they produce. It is very difficult for them to handle the aircraft during landing because of poor thrust. When my bro was coming back from YYZ he told me that the 340 literally BUMPED on the runway during landing. Anyway, i love the new 340-500/600 and i would like to see them flying for OA. They could solve the pith problem that passengers face in OA's economy.
 
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Lewis

Sun Apr 01, 2001 5:16 am

Lewis, do you think OA is prepared or has a plan ready for the heavy demand for travel to Greece for the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens? This is where the new high capacity A340-600 comes into play for it will help OA handle the large volume of travelers coming to Greece from all over the world for this historic event.
 
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RE: Lewis

Sun Apr 01, 2001 5:34 am

Whih version of kinhsh/motion you saw that article on, and what page?

I have the 1 with the turtle under the sea, pretty much BLUE, and it has the following titles...

H Mesogeiakh 8alassia xelwna

Vangelis

New York

I think it's kinda old...but on my next trip NY-ATH i will et the latest...

Rgrds--QS343E!!!
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 8:05 am

I think the key to Olympic's success will open the lock if they are privatised. Think about it, when Onassis had OA, it was a world class airline, and when the government got it, it rapidly went down the tubes, in terms of service, and on time flights. I for one think that OA has the best pilot's and the FA's are pretty good, I have not been dissappointed. Considering the financial status of OA, they cannot do much to improve passanger approval etc. Compared to say Virgin Atlantic, Lufthansa, or Air France I think that OA can not even contend with them.
BUT...
My Greek pride makes me say that it is an airline with superior pilots, that is trying to make the best with the resources that they have to work with.
IMHO-OA should have gone for the 777 or possibly the 747-400 however.

Arrivederci
Olympic A-340
 
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Olympic A340

Sun Apr 01, 2001 9:45 am

I agree with you Olympic A340, that OA should have gone for the 747-400 or 777-200ER instead of the CFM56-5C4 powered A340-300. I hope they order the RR Trent powered A340-500/600 with more passenger capacity and more thrust (each RR Trent 500 series engine has close to 60,000lbs), to help during takeoff and climb. Yasou!!
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 10:11 am

TEDSKI,
You must have a fetish for RR Trent engines hehehe!...

Arrivederci
Olympic A-340
 
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Olympic A340

Sun Apr 01, 2001 10:47 am

After flying on a RR Trent 892 powered Delta Airlines 777-200ER last year from MCO to ATL, I am very much impressed by the quality and performance of these engines including the RB211 on the 747, 757, & L-1011.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 11:54 am

Being Greek, and having flown as an airline pilot for the last 6 years worldwide,(both out of Asia and currently in the US for Delta), I wish I could say that OA is a great Ailine! Unfortunately, my experience with them as a pasenger (mostly in long international flights), is anything but pleasant.
Beginning from the ground staff (rude and uncaring), facilities (hopefully the new airport will solve those), and the flight attendants, (especially the senior ones in the international segments),who being government employees with one of the stronger unions, pay absolutely no attention to economy class passengers. I have countless examples of being stuck in economy, between other sleeping passengers, trying to call a flight attendant for a glass of water after hours of no service, only to have my call light cancelled with no one appearing. Once I stopped one that was passing through the cabin only to be told " so you are the one that has been ringing all this time".
There are quite a few proffesional ones, but the vast majority overshadows them leaving a bitter taste. In the domestic segments, old airplanes with worn out and very dirty interiors, and endless delays (partly to the antiquated ATC system of Greece).
I hope that one day OA will overcome their shortcomings and emerge again as a great carrier, but as long as it is owned by the Greek Government, and it's employees have the mentality of such, things will remain the same......
Godspeed OA
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 12:33 pm

Ok first....................Oa didnt go for 744 for a good reason.......they lose so much money on fuel and in the winter only around 80 passengers attend a long haul flight......The governement is selling a 60 percent stake.........There are rumors that it will be privatised by the richest people in Greece.......If this happens........Oa will def rise up in the following years..........I predict in 5-10 years Oa will be back intact......With the new airport it will also help..........a340-600.........nice aircraft.........You wont be seeing it in Oa colors until the governement gives it up and they fire some employees.......They need to fire all except pilots and Mechanics heheh.....well Oa in the next Decades will rise up and Ill be flying for them =)
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:47 pm

I agree that the 744 wouldn't be the right equip for OA. During winter there are flights that are only booked 30-40%. These routes could be full during summer, but could be a disaster for OA in the winter. The key is medium aircraft, higher frequency. The 777 could have been better, in terms of passenger comfort. Even the 300s could be used for specific routes that are always full (ATH-JFK). Personally, I have never seen these flights with more than 6 empty seats availlable during winter. JFK is used by all Greeks to connect to every other destination in USA and south America.

And now a question: WHy did OA stop ATH-BKK-NRT?
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Sun Apr 01, 2001 6:48 pm

And i don't think that OA is ready to handle the movements needed for the 2004 Olympics. New aircraft are needed and more, especially in lonh haul routes.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 12:15 am

Lewis........by 2004 anything can happen.........I think Oa will keep there fleet more towards airbus now........When they get back on track I think they should order 739s and more 717s......They will need to get rid of 732 by next year and get rid of 734 later on. ATRs will be fine for now and the Donniers will be ok also........For the Long Haul trips.......The A300-600 must go they are all leased and they are getting older also. It would be nice to see Oa start routes to Chicago and Atlanta where a lots of Greeks are from......I would love to see another 747 in Oa colors but time will tell...........A330-200 or 300 would be a good choice for flights into Africa and Asia.....For the flights to Sydney I believe Oa will need to get a big and comfortable plane because those flights are horrible. It would be nice to see OA with a mixed fleet and much more aircraft but this is all stupid talk cause as long as it is Government owned OA is going nowhere.......Hopefully someone with good strategies will do something with it.....I wouldnt mind a bunch of rich Greek people buying and putting the money needed for Oa to become the best......Well as of now OA is going down.......
 
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OlympicEagle

Mon Apr 02, 2001 12:35 am

The use of many types isn't what will help OA. OA needs to minimize aircraft type numbers and become all airbus or boeing. I like the A300s that exist now. Very comfortable for popular european routes.

PS:stop using all these '....' they make me feel dizzy.LOL
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 12:41 am

OA had an option for 1 747-400 in 1996 and 2 or 3 options for 767-300ER and 1 or 2 for 757 in 1997 (can't remember exactly off hand for the last two). None of these were taken up and were allowed to expire. At that time, the new 747-400 was to eventually replace the oldest 747-284B (SX-OAB, the oldest 747 with OA that was originally bought by Onassis in 1973) leaving OA with one new 747-484 and 3 747-212B (1979). If I remember correctly, OA considered the 767's to restart the Chicago route, for a direct non-stop Boston route and also for Johannesburg. That would have left the 747's for the New York, Canada, and Australia routes with more frequency and the possibilty to restart the NRT route. I assume the looming financial situation has put a stop to these plans and OA had to rethink their future fleet plans. At that time, a decision was made to go all Airbus. Therefore the A340's were ordered. OA wanted to aslo replace the 737-200's and later on the 737-400's with A-320's but OA could not get the required production slots from Airbus to get the A320 in time before the 732's had to out of the fleet due to the upcoming European ban. Therefore the 737NG order from Boeing, via one of the leasing companies, still remains in some form.

-alitis
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 1:03 am

It would be great if OA went for either the A330-200/300 or 767-300ER to start non-stop service between JFK & SKG. For the 2004 Olympics they should consider going for the RR Trent powered A340-500/600 with more passenger capacity and range.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 1:25 am

OA should maybe lease some more A300-600Rs to handle some of their busy European routes. Read in other forums that AA is very happy with their A300-600Rs on some of their routes. The A320 family I think would have been a better replacement for their older 737-200s over the 737NGs.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 2:19 am

Tedski once again Oa will not go for the a340-600 until they are privatly owned. I wish Oa would of gone for the 744 or 767. NOTHING will happen with oa until they get out of Government hands. Oa had place orders for I think the 737-700 or 800 series. They cancelled them though like they have for everything.As Olympic builds up I think they will start ordering many long haul aircrafts and also have a fleet with airplanes that are new. Except for the Atrs which I think they will stay because they do not waste to much fuel. The 717 would be good replacement for them in the summer on the busy routes to the Islands.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 3:11 am

The 747-400 I don't think would have been a good idea if travel during the fall and winter months between JFK and ATH is low. The 777-200ER with either GE90, P&W 4000 or RR Trent 800 series powerplants I agree would have been a better choice over the CFM56-5C4 powered A340-300.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 4:01 am

I would also prefer the 777. And i would more like to see 320 family aircraft instead of 737s. What about 318s instead of 717s in less white Olympic aviation colors?
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 4:20 am

I like the look of the 717 in white Olympic Aviation colors. Too bad OA never considered the MD-80 series as a replacement for their 727-200s.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 5:11 am

I once saw two posters by McDonnel Douglas picturing a DC-9 and a DC-10 in OA colors. Were there any propositions for OA from McDonnel Douglas? They looked fake, as if given for demonstration.
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 5:44 am

To follow up on my previous post: the 757's were cancelled in 1992 and the cancelled 767's were -200ER.
The 737NG order is as follows: 737-700: 11 leased from Gecas-deliveries start 6/01. 737-800: original order renegotiated from 8 to 4- delivery to start 6/01.

-alitis
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Mon Apr 02, 2001 8:17 am

Are u sure ALITIS???.........give me more info
 
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RE: Olympic Airways Fleet "planning"?

Mon Apr 02, 2001 11:59 pm

To follow up on my previous post: the 757's were cancelled in 1992 and the cancelled 767's were -200ER.

There were only options for 757s, as well as for a single 747-484. Three 767-284-ERs were actually build, and had interesting registrations: SX-ERA, SX-ERB and SX-ERC. They ended up in Chile and Mexico. There were also two 762 options. When all these were NTU, Boeing played a bit hardball, and thus OA was "forced" to order the 7 734s instead.


The 737NG order is as follows: 737-700: 11 leased from Gecas-deliveries start 6/01. 737-800: original order renegotiated from 8 to 4- delivery to start 6/01.
-alitis

OA ordered 8 737-884. During the Speedwing administration, finally they realized that what they needed was a 732 replacement, reall soon. So they "cancelled" the existing order, and converted it to leased (10 yr) 8- 737-700 and 4- 737-800 through GECAS. The original deposit was to be returned from Boeing. A third A306 was also leased, on a multi-year lease.

While on this subject: There isn't anything popping up OA's online schedule using 737 NG at all. I checked all destinations throughout the summer, and all there is 734s and 732s. (and the token 733). Is it due to OA's notorious "planning" or because something else is cooking?

Thanks,

George




 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Tue Apr 03, 2001 2:38 am

As OlympicEagle said....by 2004 anything can happen.... maybe Cronus and Aegean Airlines is going to handle most of the traffic for the games....and Olympic.......................??????
I flew the last times with Cronus and i must say...really great! Always ontime and good service on the ground and in air. It is now my preferred airline when im travelling to Greece.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Olympic Airways - Competition

Tue Apr 03, 2001 2:57 am

I too, have had a very pleasant experience flying with Aegean. Healthy competition is always welcome. I've heard that Cronus and Aegean are merging. Too bad their fleet is anything but compatible...

I flew the last times with Cronus and i must say...really great! Always ontime and good service on the ground and in air. It is now my preferred airline when im travelling to Greece

Well, then Olympic start thinking for a new login name!!! :=)
 
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RE: Olympic Airways

Tue Apr 03, 2001 3:37 am

Yeh OA340 maybe i should!!! But i think i will give OA a chance until they are privatised. Hopefully CY will get them and thinks will change because now the attitude and professional ability of most of their employees is really poor!
As Delta73Spilot wrote:
"There are quite a few proffesional ones, but the vast majority overshadows them leaving a bitter taste."
100% my opinion!
So lets hope all of us..... Big grin
 
OLYMPIC
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RE: Olympic Airways

Tue Apr 03, 2001 3:49 am

BTW here is the press release from Aegean´s homepage:

AEGEAN AIRLINES and CRONUS AIRLINES have decided to join forces. The move comes after a period of dynamic development of both companies in parallel courses. The proposed merger is aimed at strengthening the market position of the companies and enhancing the capability to face the competitive challenges. AEGEAN and CRONUS management have reached an agreement that, pending regulatory approval, they will merge the two airlines.

The merger objective is to leverage the complementary nature of each carrier’s network and to gain from the strengths of each airline in its respective markets, both domestically and internationally. As part of the effort for improved utilization of its fleet, CRONUS will initially focus on the international routes, as well as the charter activities. AEGEAN, will initially concentrate on the Greek domestic network, where better coverage and frequency is provided.

Once the merger is complete, the joint company will be the single largest privately owned air carrier in Greece. In 2000 the two companies had over 50 billion GRD (approx EUR 147 million) in sales. During the same period, in excess of 2.8 million passengers were flown, 2.4 million of which were on Greek domestic flights. The two companies account for nearly 40% of the Greek domestic air travel market.

At this point it should be noted that the share-holders of both companies have invested in excess of 30 billion GRD (EUR 88 million) for the acquisition of new aircraft, valued at more than 60 billion GRD (EUR 176 million). The combined capital investments, passenger traffic and turnover create better opportunities for economies of scale. This means that further investment in know-how will be feasible and the development of new and innovative services will be more cost effective while seat operating costs will fall.

It is worth noting that the joint company will have:

- A fleet of 15 airliners (6 owned) and 2 private jets. In detail: 6 Boeing 737-300/400s configured at 136, 148 and 156 seats. 6 Avro RJ-100s with 100 seats each, and 3 ATR-72s with 70 seats. The VIP charters are flown with 2 Learjet 55s. - On a daily basis over 130 flights will be flown on 23 separate routes. - A network of 19 destinations will be served. Eleven in Greece and 8 in Europe, covering major destinations in Germany, England, France and Italy. - The available seats during 2001 are expected to exceed 4 million.

Some of the innovative services provided by both companies include:

- Business Class service with special privileges - Nationwide reservations call center for Greece - Online (internet) reservations and ticket sales - Mobile phone WAP services - Home delivery of tickets for purchases within Greece - Round-trip check-in for same day trips - Travel package deals

Both companies have received awards that certify their operational and technical standards as well as reliability, punctuality the quality of services provided. Awards have also been received in recognition of the companies’ commercial success growth and fleet structure. AEGEAN AIRLINES received the Bronze Award Airline of the Year 2000/01 by the European Regions Airline Association (ERA).

Once the merger is concluded the current shareholders of AEGEAN AIRLINES will hold 77.5% of the shares. The owners of CRONUS AIRLINES will participate with 22.5%. The share holders of the joint company will include the Th. Vassilakis Group, the Laskarides Group, Minoan Lines, the businessman Mr. D. Ioannou, Mr. Constantakopoulos, Mr David, as well as Piraeus Bank Venture Capital. The above percentages are proportional to the invested capital in the two companies. Mr. Theodore Vassilakis will be the President of the merged company.

The merger will be completed once the relevant approval has been granted by the Competition Commission of the Greek Ministry of Commerce. The joint company will continue operating with both commercial brands for a substantial period of time, up until the merger is fully acknowledged by the traveling public of each company.



 
lewis
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RE: Olympic Airways Service

Tue Apr 03, 2001 4:29 am

I too am waiting for the privatisation of OA. Average flight service usually leaves bad comments. Oh, many miss the Onassis era. I don't believe that there is any way back, but things can be better. Has any of you had experiences with OA during 1960-1970?

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