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Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:24 pm

There it is, folks. The 747-400 is the last 747 to be produced by Boeing. They're going to concentrate on the transsonic airliner (picture on BBC news website). I can't help seeing this as the beginning of the end of their Commerical division - the 737 is in it's final variant, the 757-300 and 767-400 are trickling through (at best)... The transsonic thing will only have limited sales as long as Airbus aircraft (or other Boeing lines) have lower seat-per-mile costs (which is very likely considering their more economical speed). Very sad. How did they fall so far behind?
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Thom@s
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:26 pm

Too bad, I wanted to see the 747X.  Crying

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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:27 pm

I bet that shut a lot of people on this forum up. I tried to stay neutral but was often annoyed at the narrow-mindedness of some of the Boeing lovers.
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GOT
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:36 pm

Boeing is absolutely falling behind Airbus now. If the new Mach .95 aircraft won't be a total succes, Boeing will stand there with pretty old products and fall together with them. The only really new aircraft Boeing has is the 777. It's a nice aircraft but you must have more products to compete on the world market. As I see it, Boeing needs to come up with an aircraft on a totally new market. The Mach .95 aircraft is a good step but it will probably not be a succes if it isn't really fuel efficient.

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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Fri Mar 30, 2001 10:37 pm

Press Release by Boeing on 29/3:

On March 29, Boeing Commercial Airplanes announced that airline customers have indicated that, with continued improvements, the 747-400 family will satisfy the majority of their large airplane needs. Development of the Longer Range 747-400 will continue; the first airplane will be delivered to QANTAS in November 2002. Boeing is also studying additional improvements to the 747-400, and will protect its ability to develop a larger (747X) if and when customers indicate a need.


Can't call it a cancel I believe.  Smile Wait for JAL and UAL's interest.
 
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Airbus DOESN'T Rule, Alle!

Sat Mar 31, 2001 12:21 am

I don't view this notice that Boeing is not going to proceed with the Boeing 747X as any indication that Airbus has "won the war". Boeing is just going in a different direction. I feel certain that Boeing will remain a very healthy competitor to Airbus in the coming years of commercial aircraft production. This isn't over by any stretch of the imagination.

 
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Sat Mar 31, 2001 12:27 am

Boeing's new concept doesn't look as a 'big one', because it carries less passenger than 777-300 and is only faster by mach 0.05. There won't be many passengers willing to pay more to reach 30 minutes faster on transpacific flight.

If Boeing want to get a joker, it must be supersonic with lower noise and longer range or BWB, believed to cost less for operate. The concept is like Viper compared to Porsche.
 
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:05 am

Estimates are a 2.5 hour faster flight time between somewhere like HKG and New York. That's not bad, although with such a small pax load, it would be interesting to see how low they can get operating costs. Cathay already don't like flying small (Anything less than 300 seats) long haul as the yields are too low. Having said that, they are one of the airlines on the design committee, so we shall see.
 
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:11 am

DatamanA340,
This plane will cruise at .95, the highest cruiser currently is typicall at .84 (747 sometimes push .86 but not on transpacific long haul)

 
DatamanA340
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:23 am

I know, but that Boeing says it flies in .95 or faster doesn't mean that it really flies so fast. That's entirely up to fuel consumption, Boeing makes.
 
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:37 am

First of all, the 747X is not cancelled. I would like to see the press release where Boeing has announced the outright cancellation of the 747X program. Whether we see the 747X fly is questionable, but I hate to see poeple say that the program is cancelled when it is still alive.

It seems to me that fuel comsumption data for the "sonic cruiser" is very near that of current aircraft because airlines wouldn't want it if it were a "gas hog". But I have read that interest for the "sonic cruiser" is very high. Some analysts have said, "if Boeing can make this aircraft work, you can write off Airbus right now". A bit of an exageration. However, I do believe that Airbus was a bit blindsided by this new aircraft announcement.
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RE: Boeing Are Cancelling The 747X

Sat Mar 31, 2001 1:44 am

Actually, some of us have found that cruising at 0.86 in the 744 constantly, regardless of where you are going does not actually burn a lot more than flying at the speed which the flightplan tells us to. Many of our guys do it, but most don't either because they don't know this, or because they are too scared of questions from management, so they go by the book.

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