hkgspotter1
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AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 9:52 am

Yesterday at about 2.00pm a AA 763 taking off hit a flock of birds with some bits entering the cockpit via the broken window. Aircraft returned to CDG.

Is the normal for the window to shatter ???
 
Twotterwrench
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 10:19 am

The windshields are designed and tested to withstand birdstrikes. Ocasionally, a direct strike will result in a shattering of the outer pane. However, the window is a sandwhich type construction and breakage of the inner pane is highly unusual. It could have had something to do with the angle at which the bird hit the aircraft... or maybe the bird was wearing heavy jewelry.
 
CX Flyboy
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 11:27 am

I care!
We took off from the very same runway about half an hour later. The thought of a bird's beak hitting your face at 170 kts is not my idea of fun, so please don't be so ignorant.
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 11:39 am

Does taking off 30 minutes later make it more of a chance it will happen to you. Unless they were having the bird show next to the airport....I wouldn't be worried.
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 11:46 am

I bet the pilots cared!
 
widebody
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 11:50 am

Bird strikes have globally killed over 400 people and destroyed over 420 aircraft.........

Useless statistic #42,362
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 11:58 am

Any airport that has a major birdstrike problem is worrying. Remember the USAF C135 that was lost after ingesting a number of swans? This AA, apparently had a bird go through the cockpit windows. This is very worrying. Maybe if you are not in the industry you don't really think about it, but I am also a pilot, just like these AA pilots. It could have been me yesterday. Don't tell me that's not worrying.
 
Big777jet
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 1:35 pm

Yes, the windows are designed to hold shatter. My friend Delta pilot way back in 1970's. He told me about it. He was captain DC-9-30 flying from MEM to ATL due thunderstorm in MEM for one hour. The tower saw spotted clear thunderstorm path for take off ready. He just took off and climb to 2,000 ft all of suddenly the hail was hit on his front of his cockpit window shattered all white cracked! He couldn't see it. He checked his both engines were fine running. Big relief. Co-pilot took control to emergency landing return to MEM and landed safely. The passengers had to get another plane. Delta told him to fly ferry DC-9 back to ATL and they cannot fix there. FAA permitted to fly DC-9 with a CRACKED WINDOW! DC-9 flew with low speed and at least 10,000 ft all the way to ATL. It took 2 hours to fly. DC-9 landed fine at ATL. They repaired next day returned to service. What a great story!

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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 3:06 pm

Anyone here want the pictures of the aircraft damage? I got 'em....E-mail me and let me know.....
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Tue Apr 03, 2001 3:45 pm

CannedSpam
please email them to me, thanks
trevorslack@hotmail.com
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Western737
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:06 am

CannedSpam,

Yes and I believed that you recieved my replied email. I am still looking at those pictures and am amazing that birdstrikes can indeed cause some damages.
 
Twotterwrench
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:53 am

Hey, cxflyboy, who you calling ignorant?
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 2:11 am

Airbus_A340,

It still came back undelivered....


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Airbus_A340
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 2:13 am

That is very very strange, my hotmail account is not even half full...

Please can you send it to
trevorslack@yahoo.com
thankyou very much
and sorry about this
Regards
trevor
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ryu2
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 5:29 am

What AA flight was this?
 
CannedSpam
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 6:04 am

AA 63 02APR
 
gearup
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 7:35 am

I don't know if this is urban legend or what, but there is a story of a Boeing 727 from a major US carrier hitting a bald eagle at an unusually high altitude at over 250 knotts IAS. the bird penetrated the radome, the weather radar antenna, the forward pressure bulkhead, tore out one of the captains rudder pedels and severly injured one of his feet finally ending up embedded in a panel below the flight engineer's control station. The aircraft had to descend due to cabin decompression and the captain was incapacitated for the remainder of the flight. The airplane landed safely with no further injuries. It sounds incredible but it was supposed to have happened!!
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AAR90
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 8:26 am

Birdstrikes occured at aprox. 12,000 feet during climbout phase. One bird that entered the radar area penetrated the pressure bulkhead in front of and below the cockpit instrument panels. There was no penetration of cockpit windows.
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AA@DFW
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 9:16 am

Can you all post the pics here?


Or, if not, could you email them to me?

My address is: jeff.wickersham@umit.maine.edu

Merci!

AA@DFW
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 11:19 am

Ever hear of the one when a Lear 24 hit a duck at 24,000 ft? It supposedly went through the pilots windshield, decapitating the pilot and severely injuring the copilot. The copilot landed the aircraft, but then passed out from lack of blood. I believe he survived. I have no facts to back it up, but I heard this one several years ago.
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:16 pm

There was a story going around in Aer Lingus back in the days when they did all their own heavy maintenance, of a aircraft mechanic who was exceptionally talented at his job but would not do the exams to get type approval on the 707. Management tried everything to get him to comply because they basically wanted to promote him to a maintenance supervisor. He agreed eventually but it was generally felt that he knew more about the 707 than the exam interviewer did. When he went into the interviewer in the Irish Department of transport, the first question he was asked went like this, ' Ok Joe, here's the scenerio - We are in a 707 at 35,000 ft. at mach .79. A seagull strikes the captain's windshield and penetrates the outer and middle layers. What's the correct emergency procedure?' Joe looked at the interviewer and said, "I don't know about the f***ing procedure, but it's a f***ing good seagull at 35,000 ft."
I guess the interviewer threw in the towel right there and then, he had heard enough, Joe got his type approval without a further question asked!
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Adam84
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Wed Apr 04, 2001 1:38 pm

Could you email those pictures to me too. adamdude13@hotmail.com Thanks.
 
CX Flyboy
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:28 am

Twotterwrench,

I was calling the poster of another reply ignorant, but it seems it has vanished making it appear as if I am insulting you! Believe me, I am not. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but someone originally posted "Who cares?" as the first reply, before yours. Sorry!!!
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:48 am

Hello Mike!
I'd love to see the photographs of AA63.
I've been on it quite a few times... The only birds I ever saw were the chickens on the plates, thank god...
My email is elnico@ireland.com. Thanks a mil!
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:57 am

Interesting article on the UK CAA AAIB Bulletin board this month about a United 767 which stuck a number of geese in the flare landing @ LHR.

Save for the normal damage, the most interesting (read worrying) thought, is this happening to a large twin on rotation or just after, especially a/c of the 777/A330 type which of course have larger fans and could potentially digest more than one bird.

Lets hope...
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Critter_592
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 3:24 am

sebree@bellsouth.net for the pictures.
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 3:33 am

Quick bird strike story...

At a former job as an A&P, I was debriefing the crew of a recently landed flight when they told me that they had a bird strike in the area of FO's windshield during approach. They had notified the tower (not to declare an emergency, but rather to warn others of "bird activity" in the area), however they chose not to document it in the log book. It was readily apparent to both the crew and myself that no damage had occurred.
So, after the crew went to the hotel and I cleaned all the blood and guts off of the aircraft, here comes the FAA wanting to know something about a reported bird strike. I told them what I knew, and their first question was "why didn't the captain make a log entry". I couldn't answer that one. The feds followed up with the company and the captain found himself in a bit of hot water...tsk tsk.
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Mr Spaceman
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 5:02 am

Hi guys. I found a "Bird Strike" related photo on this website. It looks to me like sometimes those feathered little critters can cause quite the mess!


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Michel Debury




Chris
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Canned Spam

Fri Apr 06, 2001 5:46 am

Hiya Mate
Can you e-mail me the pics?
Cheers

Chris@csmorgan.fsnet.co.uk

Thanx : )
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 6:31 am

Heres a good one!
Ill go have a look for a couple more : )




Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Ricardo Morales



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Regards Chris Morgan ; )
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 6:35 am

Heres another i found....
One bird writes off a $6 million Rolls Royce Trent 800. Oh dear. Actually, I think Malaysian have P&W....oh well







Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Tsen Tsan




Regards,Chris Morgan : )
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Mr Spaceman
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 9:06 am

In the Tech/Ops forum I posted a question about "Bird Strikes" about a week ago. In one of the responses, it was mentioned that a pilots aircraft had an engine induce a "Rabit!!" while at 500 feet! Thats right, a "Rabit". Go figure.

Chris
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widebody
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 10:40 am

Another strange one, the airline was either Sabena or Swissair, can't remember which, I think Sabena.........a flight took off from Canada, and at about 5,000ft, a bird strike occurred and damaged an engine......the aircraft returned to the airport in Canada, and when the remains of the bird were examined, it was found to be a very rare bird only found in Belgium....they couldn't figure out how this could occur in Canada, however it was later found out that the aircraft had passed under another Sabena aircraft flying at a higher altitude, and the two had crossed just after the birdstike.........the conclusion was that the high flying aircraft had encountered a birdstrike on taking off from Belgium, the remains of the bird stayed attached to the aircraft, and had fallen off only to be ingested by the other Sabena jet under it......

 
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 4:58 pm

Canned Spam...

That incident almost made me get stuck in Paris after coming in on the SJC inagural, as the last flight to JFK filled up with displaced MIA PAX. I was the second to last D-2 to get on, and there were several non-revs who were not accomodated! I'd love to see the pics if you still have them:

miketmcd@mail.com

Thanks.
 
CX Flyboy
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:19 pm

I'm interested in seeing the photos too please!! I could have seen it taxy past us, but my head was turned as I was busy with something else at the time!

airborne@pilot.pprune.com

Thanks.
 
CX Flyboy
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RE: AA Bird Strike At Cdg!

Sat Apr 07, 2001 8:17 pm

Thanks a lot for the photos. I am surprised at the damage....holes in the wing, bits of dead bird everywhere in the cockpit, torn panels, cracked radome. Quite serious indeed. I can't see a smashed windscreen though. How did the birds get into the cockpit??

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