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CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:02 am

A Report From Yahoo! Singapore.

Wednesday April 4, 8:49 PM

Cathay Pacific says to stop Zurich flights May 1


HONG KONG, April 4 (Reuters) - Hong Kong-based carrier Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd <0293.HK> said on Wednesday that it will suspend flights between Hong Kong and Zurich from May 1 for commercial reason.

"The route has performed relatively poorly over the past few years. Cathay Pacific will closely monitor the situation and look to resume flights if and when the market situation improves," said the airline in a statement.

The last Cathay Pacific flight will leave Hong Kong for Zurich on April 29 and return on April 30, it added.

The airline continues to operate 39 flights a week to Europe, excluding codeshare services, it said. Cathay also operates 14 cargo flights to Europe each week to Frankfurt, London and Paris.

Cathay shares ended Wednesday 3.91 percent lower at HK$11.10.


Wow, CX is dumping routes in 2-3years! But I think they will continue the code-share with Swissair.
 
avion
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:22 am

What a pity!! Bad day for ZRH!! But i cant help it.

Tom
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:40 am

Hey,

This is definitely rather sad  Sad! Swissair will definitely be happy with much higher loads!

Bad day for Zurich!

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Jeremiah Teahan


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Air Taiwan
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:44 am

now it sounds to me that Switzerland is like Malaysia in Europe (well aviationwise anyway...)
National airline huge losses, airlines leaving capital city...

you think so??

rgds
Jimmy
 
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RE: Oh %$**!^)(!

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:31 am

This basically means I'm not awfully happy. I was going to fly this route in October; I can still fly SR of course, but I wanted to fly back on an CX A340. However, not to worry, there's always 2002 and plain old London and plainer old 744!
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:35 am

Very bad news for ZRH!  Sad

Air Taiwan: Zurich is NOT Switzerland's capital city. It is only Switzerland's most important and biggest town. Berne is the capital.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:38 am

Sad thing. :-(
 
gardermoen
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 4:29 pm

This will be the 2nd European city CX have pulled out of - Stockholm was the first back in 1996.
Well atleast, CX still codeshares on the SR service so there is some sort of a "presence" at Zurich.
 
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Sorry Made A Mistake...

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:04 pm

you're right SR3496, I knew Zurich is not the capital of Swizerland but I forgot. Sorry  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

(I bet a lot of you far away from the land down under still think that Sydney is the capital of Australia... I know people who do anyway...)

Apologies for my sometimes shocking geographical knowledge...

rgds
Jimmy
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:05 pm

CX flew to Stockholm??? when Confused
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:09 pm

Airmale -

If they pulled out of Stockholm in 1996, it stands to reason that :

a) Yes, they did fly to Stockholm, and
b) It was in the years before 1996

Maybe its just my genius, but I think that was pretty easy to deduce?
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:22 pm

I read in the unique (Zurich Airport Information magazin) march edition that CX wants to increase its ZRH service from 5 flights a week to a daily service... a big turnaround I think
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 5:42 pm

I just checked the schedules for August at the cx website and its own ZRH flights still come up...very strange.
CX flew to Stockholm from early 95 (3 times a week HKG-FRA-ARN with 747s) and the plan was to go to a non-stop 340 operation, but they deciced to end the route before that(early 96)

 
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Saint-Exupery

Thu Apr 05, 2001 8:01 pm

This is the same that happen for BA for its KUL operation. It was suppose to go daily last year, but in the end, it pulled out of the busy LHR-KUL route. I guess BA won't be flying into KUL for a very long time more! (Thay had 5 flights a week as well!)

Regards
 
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RE: CX At Istanbul?

Thu Apr 05, 2001 8:57 pm

How is Cathay's service to Istanbul, Turkey fairing Smile

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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Thu Apr 05, 2001 10:25 pm

OH!! Bad news to see!! Then, everyone on the ZRH-HKG route have to use Swissair MD-11 service. There will be less choice then. A boost to SAirGroup! But, why don't CX operate the route for 2 or 3 flights a week, then there will still a alternative choice for passengers!

Nontheless, CX is buying more aircrafts from Airbus and seems have more expansion in Asian and North American routes!
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:18 am

ZRH has been doing fairly badly for some time now. The flights have been going full, but the yields have been quite low. Unfortunately, Rome is also quite bad, and believe it or not, Amsterdam is not that great either. These places are all under review, although ZRH was the weakest of them all. Istanbul is actually doing quite well!

New routes under consideration are primarily Riyadh, Tehran, and Balgalore. New York direct will probably be started towards the end of summer, and Chicago is also on the cards. With Dragonair beginning to compete with Cathay, we are looking to start flying to Beijng and Shanghai again, although there is a lot of politics involved. There could well be another destination announced before the end of the year, but we shall see.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 3:13 am

why would CX wants to fly to Riyadh (where is it???), Tehran, and Balgalore (again...where is it???)......I would like to see them fly to Honolulu......

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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 3:15 am

There is talk of Cathay starting flights to Honolulu. Not sure how certain that is though.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 6:17 am

Bangalore is in India, its their Silicon valley, Riyadh I heard about but wouldnt Jeddah be more feasible/attractive? which market segment are they planning on catering to by serving Riyadh? as for Tehran, that comes as a pleasent surprise would love to see CX there Smile
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 6:41 am

CX's Stockholm flight was a seasonal flight via Frankfurt
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:15 pm

Bangalore would provide many pax connecthing with our SFO services. Likewise, many of the other flights to Riyadh, and Tehran would provide valuable connections to the other passengers. Singapore Airlines have long capitalised on the money of providing connections with pax. Cathay has not, apart from it's Australia services, but would like to start doing so, as there is a lot of money there. There is a plan to double the fleet by 2007, although we have been saying this for years!
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 9:30 pm

Mr. Jiml1126!

CX´s Stockholm-service was not, in my opinion, a seasonal flight. Well not unless the word seasonal stands for 15 months in a row.
I have often wondered why CX started that flight. ARN - FRA - HKG was a flight lasting more than 17 hrs. ARN - HKG with change of planes in CPH was a 13 hrs. flight all together. I guess that perhaps a nonstop operation with a A340 HKG - ARN could be successful, but now when Finnair is starting their operation to HKG perhaps not
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 10:11 pm

OH no das gibts nichts,...I have always wanted to fly for Cathay pacific for many reasons, and one of the main reasons was that they fly to Zurich,...well not for much longer, das glaub ich nicht.

Hopefully things will pick up and catpac returns to ZRH for a more sucessful "round 2".

 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 10:15 pm

http://www.afxpress.com/afxpress2/html/story_2218639.xml

This article states that CX will return in 2002. I truky hope this is true.

Tom
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 10:15 pm

air taiwan: that was wat i wanna say...i rilly feel sorry for KLIA....dun forget their loans securing the project and etc.... they're gonna lose a lot man!
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 10:45 pm

Another thought just popped up,...

How come SIA has been so sucessful in flying SIN-ZRH route with a 744???
Its really strange because Hong-Kong and Singapore are relatively similar in size and distance to Switzerland, and yet CX cannot sustain A340 flights, while SIA seems to be laughing away in a 744...

Anyone got any ideas....maybe its the business relations between Switzerland and Singapore,...but I would have thought that Hong Kong is just as important to swiss economy as Singapore.

Well lets see...what happens
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:00 pm

I' suggest, that SQ has better connections at SIN than CX at HKG. It's only a guess, but when I try to find a flight to anywhere in Australia, the first flights with less stop over time are mostly SQ thru SIN.

BTW, SQ is code sharing with NZ and AN on this flight and ha sbeen codesharing with SR before SQ joined Star.

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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:08 pm

Danke viel mals fuer deine gedacht,...I hope I was right there, I was trying to say thanks for you thought...

Anyway we'll see what will happen,...but the link that AVION dude provides about cathay resuming flying to zurich seems to provide a little bit of hope for this scenario.

Schoene tag noch...
 
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Catpac

Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:13 pm

In addition to Gerardo's statement, the SQ ZRH-SIN flights are BRU-ZRH-SIN flights. So passengers from BRU and ZRH are filiing the 744 while CX was flying HKG-ZRH-HKG so CX had only ZHR passangers.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 12:57 am

CX flyboy, any chance an A340 might come to AMS? I know that last year there were some rumours that CX would change HKG-AMS-MAN into HKG-MAN (daily) and HKG-AMS-??? (unknown destination) and start flying with A340s. Unfortunately this never materialised.

Regards
Laurens Janssen
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:40 am

The rumour for a direct MAN flight is still a possibility, but as you stated, I have no idea what they will fly to AMS, but remember, as far as I know, HKG-AMS-MAN is only twice a week anyway, so dropping the AMS-MAN link won't make much difference anyway.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 4:45 am

On some days SQ 346 terminates only in ZRH and not continue to other cities. Maybe SQ has been so successful with the 744 because they provide more connection service via SIN than CX.
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 5:13 am

It might be a big challenge for SQ, since SQ will launch BRU non-stop flight instead of stop in Zurich. from August. Also, SIA's Zurich flight also carries pax for NZ (and AN?) So that's why SIA still flying 744 to ZRH.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 5:33 am

CX flyboy, CX flies 5 times (at least during the last winter schedule) weekly HKG-AMS-MAN (fri-mon + wed) Anyway I think you're right about the yields on AMS flights as CX is offering more and more "shopping trips" and other package tours to HKG from AMS which are relatively inexpensive.

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 6:28 pm

Oh, then it must be CDG that gets two MAN trips a week. Getting confused.
 
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RE: CX Dumping Zurich

Sat Apr 07, 2001 6:33 pm

Depending on the weekdays, SQ flies from SIN to ZRH and then to either BRU, MAD, or VIE, and perhaps another destination.

So, if SQ will start SIN-BRU direct flights, then they will probably fly to another city from ZRH, instead of BRU.

Regards
Gerardo
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