kevin
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Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:46 pm

I'm wondering why Emirates is not considering Moscow as a destination. UAE-CIS market is huge: business people, shoppers, tourists... Aeroflot has a daily A310 to Dubai, so why Emirates has no intention to end Aeroflot's monopoly on the route? In 1997, if I'm not mistaken, Emirates did the very surprising move (I guess the most unsuccessful and unprofessional) by opening a route to Baku, Azeibardjan which was recently dropped for an obvious reason , poor loads.. If they wanted to get snookered into the CIS market, it's only through Moscow. Emirates777, waiting for your comments. Anyone else is welcome too.




 
sushka
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:50 pm

I think that that would be a great idea. Alot of Russians go to UAE because they dont need a visa. Im sure that if that flight started it would be really good.
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kevin
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:52 pm

In fact Russians do need a visa to enter UAE, but I guess it's obtained really easy if you go with a travel agent.
 
sushka
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:54 pm

I actualy heard 2 days ago that they dont. So I dont know?
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kevin
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:57 pm

Maybe you heard that they don't need a visa to Cyprus or Turkey (you get it for 10$ at the airport), or you might have heard that from now on, every Russian citizen will nedd to have a visa if he wishes to transit through an airport in USA.
 
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 6:33 pm

Actually, a 777 Russian First Officer on an EK flight to Male (Maldives) had told me about a year ago that EK were looking at DXB-SVO-HEL, the theory behind that being exploiting the UAE-CIS mkt, and then the (apparently) healthy SVO-HEL mkt!!

However, I'm guessing the Finnish idea was propmtly dropped, as that sort of route is for seasonal charter traffic and nothing else (AY flew a 757 down to DXB a few times).

As for Moscow, why not??? Those premium seats could EASILY be filled, and surely there's a market???
 
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 7:36 pm

What Im really eager to see is EK cross the pond . In the case of Moscow.Maybe its because of the economic situation in Russia . Or maybe EK just wants to put their planes were they know they will make money . Eventhough Im sure that the Moscow - Dubai run would be a sucess . Maybe they could start out 4 times weekly using an A330-200 and if the route does really good upgrade it to daily.
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Marco
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 10:31 pm

I've actually wondered why EK doesn't fly to SVO and why they don't have the intention of doing so, there are quite a few rich russians that live here and millions of russian tourists.

As for the visa issue, yes they do need one, everyone does except for GCC countries or british people...
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slawko
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sat Apr 07, 2001 11:05 pm

Kevin, I find your comments, to be quite unfounded, and very Russo-centric ( I know it's not a word, but I think you get the implications) A flight to Baku would probably be quite profitable, given time. As we all know They are trying to establish independent oil production and both nations have large amounts of oil, and both could benefit from closer ties. Emirates decision to fly to BAKu was probably a very good one, but was maybe set up a bit too early...This is not to say that a Moscow flight would not be a good idea, on the contrary Moscow would probably be a very good route for Emirates, although they would need to serve it with something like an A310, because with the current economic situation in all of eastern europe, I can;t see how too many airlines are selling full first/business class seats.
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kevin
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sun Apr 08, 2001 3:25 am

To Slawko:

Thanks a lot for your kind comments, but the fact that 60% of my topics are related to Russian aviation does not mean that I'm Russo centric.
I told that the Baku route is unprofitable and Moscow route is , just because if you compare the size of Azeibardjan to the size of Russia you will get the answer. You must agree that sending an A310, 3 times a week from Dubai to Baku is madness.
 
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Sun Apr 08, 2001 3:36 am

Actually, the decision by EK to cease flights to Baku wasn't so much one of profitability (as the official line goes), but is more of a story of corruption with the Azerbaijani officials.

Baku's Manas Airport is widely known to be one of the most shocking airports which airlines have had to fly into, mainly because of the poor quality of facilities, and the widespread corruption which is typical of Azerbaijan in this day and age.

Airlines flying into Baku have had to resort to buying their own equipment, and have also had to pay the airport ground handling staff a wage, even though they are already paid by the airport authority to do their jobs.

If any of you keep old copies of Flight International, there was quite an insightful article into the goings-on at Baku, written in 1997/98...sorry can't remember the date.
 
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Mon Apr 09, 2001 4:26 pm

Well Emirates has Moscow on its agenda. Just to put things into perspective, Emirates was about to commence flights to SVO using A310s back in 1998. However, just before they were going to announce the route, the Russian currency (rouble) went down the pan and devalued. Given the high risks of flying into Russia anyway, the situation was compounded by the ailing currency. Since then, Moscow has fallen down the ladder in terms of priority.

I think there is clearly a good market for DXB-SVO. While one could argue the bulk of the market would be low yield (tourists, traders etc.), there is enough very high yielding traffic (we all know who don't we!!!) to make this route a profitable one for Emirates, albeit with very high risks. Given Emirates experience with Baku, they are not in a hurry.

As for Baku, I have already commented in previous posts on why it was stopped, and Aviatsiya has summed it up nicely in his post.

BTW, Emirates are due to report their financial results in early May. Expect a lot of newsflow on strategy, new aircraft orders, new routes etc. The results themselves should show good underlying growth. Passenger no.s should increase by around 20%, while cargo tonnage will also increase by a similar amount. Net profits will be subdued by higher fuel costs and are expected to be flattish year over year growth wise. If these no.s come out as expected, Emirates should officially overtake Gulf Air as the 2nd largest airline in the Gulf behind Saudi Arabian.

Rgds
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Tue Apr 10, 2001 1:21 am

Marco,

Visa rules in the UAE changed recently, the following nationalties dont need visas.


Europe - France, Italy, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg,Switzerland, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Portugal, Ireland, Greece,Cyprus, Finland, Malta, Spain, Monaco, Vatican City, Iceland, Andorra, San Marino, Liechtenstein.
>
North America - USA, Canada
>
Pacific Rim - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Brunei, Hong Kong, Singapore,Malaysia.



Now can anyone tell me what an EK A330 was doing over the North Pole two weeks ago?
 
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Tue Apr 10, 2001 1:28 am

Ambasaid,

What have the Brits been doing to not be allowed in without a Visa??

Also, please elaborate on the Polar exploits of that A330!

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emirates777
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Tue Apr 10, 2001 5:33 am

Ambasaid,
Do you know the reg. of the acft ?

I know that Emirates A330 crew were due to start North Atlantic navigation training by the middle of the year, but this one seems an intriguing one. If you can share any more insights it would be great.

Rgds
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Marco
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:08 pm

Capt. Picard: The British have always been allowed inside the country without a visa...

Ambasaid: I just heard the news yesterday, you're right. They recently changed the visa rules. Great news!
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RE: Emirates To Moscow

Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:59 pm

Emirates777,

It looks as if they wont be going over the North Atlantic for LAX!