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C3's "Ticket" To Success

Sun Apr 08, 2001 12:48 am

This is my own opinion on how C3 can be successful against Air Canada.

First of all, no one in Canada can compete with Air Canada on a 1 to 1 basis. There is definitely a market for C3 and they will be successful if they don’t try and out do AC, but C3 should just be a cost effective alternative. I don’t think C3 can offer all of the flights that Air Canada offers, I don’t think C3 can fly YYZ-JFK, or LGW, or Newark as often at as AC does. But…if they try and get a daily flight to the busiest of the three they will be providing the alternative a lot of passengers will want. If their business class is just a little more expensive than AC’s economy than you will see that section full.

The aircraft are fine for now. They have the aircraft they need to operate and let these aircraft’s make the money to lead way for an evaluation of the proper aircraft. The A310 from QN is a good fit in their fleet and the 732, ya old and all, but they will due for the time being. Last week was the best in a long time to spot at YYZ. But, to see the trail of black smoke come from the 732’s (both AC and Royal) in the clean sping air with a bright blue sky as the background, shows they are not a healthy aircraft. I don’t think that C3 needs the A319’s right now, but if they get them they can move some 732’s. I think that C3 will be able to evaluate which Airbus they need for certain routes. They may find that the A321 can be used or as someone said, the A318 may be coming. Slow and steady win’s the race, and I think someone else said that too.

C3 will be successful as the Safe and Efficient Alternative to Air Canada, that’s about it right now.

Thanks for listening to my opinion,

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RE: C3's "Ticket" To Success

Sun Apr 08, 2001 2:02 am

NY City area poses some problems for C3.

First of all, C3 does fly to EWR- once daily last time I checked. This is definitely not a schedule that will lure business/high yield travelers away from AC by any means. Their schedule appeals to those wanting cheap fares to NYC and its doing its job. If any of NY area airport will see a boost in frequency on C3's part, it will be EWR for reasons you'll find out later in my post.

Although non-stop flights from YYZ to JFK are almost non-existent, you have to think that there's a valid reason why this is the case. AC's presence at JFK is almost zero, and I can only think of Delta Connection flight off my head that is of any note. Even that is operated by ASA. Maybe C3 can capitalize on this lack of service between the two airports and boost services there, but I wouldn't hold my breath trying to get a hold of favourable slot times for their liking... which bring us to LGA.

Good luck trying to get America's most sought after slots. Even if C3 were to get a couple, AC operates more than a dozen flights a day using mainly A32X series jets (as well as 732 and DC9).

I hope C3 will have an easier time integrating the other 2 carriers than AC is having. Apparently, there's some friction between pilots in AC- it's AC versus ex-CP. I've heard nothing but good things about C3 and with sound management, they'll thrive as the second carrier in Canada.
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RE: C3's "Ticket" To Success

Sun Apr 08, 2001 2:58 am

Watewate....have a look at the C3 schedule. EWR now twice daily. Methodical growth is the plan.
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RE: C3's "Ticket" To Success

Sun Apr 08, 2001 3:13 am

Two words on YYZ-EWR flights...

They are also used to position aircraft to EWR, from where C3 operates charter flights to the DR and other sunspots on behalf of Apple Vacations.

RE: C3's "Ticket" To Success

Sun Apr 08, 2001 4:17 am

If C3 goes head to head with Air Canada they will end up as Canadi>n Airlines did. C3 needs to stick to the low-fare strategy that has made it so sucessfull up to now. Also adding more smaller markets with the newly aquired 737's would be, in my opinion, a smart move.

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