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Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 12:09 am

My wife, a realtor, recently got a new client. An Iberia A320 pilot from Madrid that was just transfered over to help with "Ibera's upcoming expansion at Miami International". That's all I really know. What could this be? Iberia currently serves Panama City, Guatemala City, Mangua, Roatan, San Jose, Cancun, and San Pedro Sula daily from MIA, Madird thrice daily (with B742, A343, and a third codeshare with AA), and Barcelona daily via Madrid. What do you guys thinlk this expansion could mean? Non-stops to Barcelona and Seville? New services to South America?
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 12:14 am

I could imagine maybe a nonstop to Barcelona and maybe from Miami to Puerto Plata or Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic . This might sound a little unrealistic but even Isla Margarita from Miami these are my suggestions.
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 12:43 am

I've heard that the Feeder planes (DC-9's) that take Pax. from MIA to the Central American countries will soon be replaced by A320's... Can anybody confirm that?
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 1:01 am

My guess would be an increase in Central American service, maybe flights to San Salvador, Seville, or Mexico City, and a new fleet (DC-9s are getting old). MIA-Punta Cana and MIA-Puerto Plata on IB would be nice, but they aren't routes of the highest demand, I would think, and American already runs both daily.
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 5:28 am

Speaking to senior network planner at IB, they are upgrading the DC-9s to A3320s on the hub routes ex-MIA.

He was telling me that the number of feeder flights that they operate from MIA is determined by the number of seats that they operate from Spain to MIA. If they want more Central American flights, then they have to add BCN or MAD services

IB is very interested in the Guadalajara and Monterrey markets in Mexico, but is restricted by this rule.
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 5:58 am

Well, just this week, IB replaced three of it's six weekly A340 MIA-MAD flights (that leave very late at night, around midnight) with 742 service (as a matter a fact, the first one flew in yesterday) , and there are plans for a fourth daily (including the AA codeshare) by year's end. It also shouldn't be long before AA upgrades the 763 flight with a 772, IMHO.
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 7:12 am

I have heard that behind the scenes there are negotiations between the US and Spain on a new openskies treaty.Spain is one of the very very few European countires that does not have an openskies with the US. It is my understanding that under the existing treaty IB can not expand too much in the US. So if an openskies is signed anything and everything is possible.
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 8:09 am

Iberia's commitment to MIA was evident to me two weeks ago when I was at MIA, waiting to board a
Gulfstream flight to MCO. Across from my gate in
Concourse G, there stood an IB 747-200, one M87
and two 320's, with a third 320 taxiing past us.

With IB in Oneworld, you'd expect them to become
even bigger at MIA, through AA.

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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 8:11 am

So, the Spanish are coming back... Are they ready for some "rough riders?"
 
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RE: ContinentalEWR

Mon Apr 09, 2001 9:26 am

Hi ContinentalEWR:
I live in Miami and close to MIA, I have never seen
an Airbus 320??, What I have seen is the A319 and
MD-87's.

Acklins.
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 9:52 am

That would be great though, MIA-SVQ on Iberia, even better on AA, but more likely IB. What about a 762ER flight from MIA-SVQ on AA though, more economical? Of course.
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Billy

Mon Apr 09, 2001 10:51 am

Billy:

Wow, I was thinking about that particular subject. So you mean to say that IB will most likely start service from Miami to Monterrey and Guadalajara via their Miami hub if/when they get more flights into Miami if a Spain-U.S. open skies treaty is signed...

Thats great news. I think that these two cities can very much support an Iberia feeder service a few days a week. Did he give you any more info on when they would want to start such a service? By the way, they might also be able to get fifth freedom rights on that route since no one is currently flying from Miami to those Mexican cities. There isn't really too much traffic on that route, however, there is bound to be more traffic to Madrid especially from Guadalajara.


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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 2:04 pm

Iberia already flies to San Salvador 3 times a week. I believe there just changing from DC-9 to the A320 family.
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Mon Apr 09, 2001 5:26 pm

At the moment, IB are experiencing very high yields from Mexican regional airports. The volumes arenot sufficient to justify direct services from Spain, but are financially viable enough to feed MIA with an MD-87. As the MIA rights are capacity restrained, these local flights are still waiting clearance. As has been mentioned, if open skies does take off, then expect more regional flying from IB.
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Tue Apr 10, 2001 1:54 am

Few points...

I was at MIA a few weeks ago and I saw 2 IB A319s and a IB 747. Pretty planes.

Someone said that IB is replacing A340 with 742, I think those are the Air Atlanta Icelandic 747s IB recently took on long term dry lease.

Curious why IB still flies their own planes on these routes, when they are oneworld partners with AA. Wouldn't it make sense for AA to fly the routes as codeshares with IB? It has to be cheaper for AA to fly with their established and significant infrastructure at MIA than IB.

Also, can IB carry US pax on their MIA-Central American flights or are they all pax from the Spain-MIA 747s?

thanks
russ

PS: Great place to spot at MIA is to take the elevator to the top of the Miami International Airport Hotel where the deck and swimming pool are. Great view of the entire airport. Very windy though!
 
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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Tue Apr 10, 2001 6:08 am

TWA, IB does codeshare with AA on AA's daily MIA-MAD 767 service. MIA-MAD is an EXTREMELY popular route, and they really need those 742s to meet demand. In fact, just this week, the scehdule has changed from 7 weekly 742 and 6 weekly A340 flights to 10 weekly 742 and 3 weekly A340 flights. Another daily is expected by years end. Also, yes, anyone can fly Iberia on thier MIA-Central American/Mexican routes. IB has a hub at MIA, after all. About the AA thing, it just works better. IB makes money on thier MIA operations. And while every destination they serve (even the underserved ones like Roatan and San Pedro Sula) is also served by American Airlines, the demand is obviously there to have it served by both.
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Mah4546

Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:01 am


When was Roatan added as a destination? I've searched Iberia's website and the only service to Honduras is to San Pedro sula which is served on a 4 times a week basis. Tegucigalpa, Honduras' capital is not served by Iberia.

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RE: Iberia To Expand MIA Hub

Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:49 am

Latinplane, your right. I just looked at the scheds, at the only flights out of Miami to Roatan is on TACA. For some wierd reason, however, the Miami Airport website destination list shows Roatan as being served by both American and Iberia, in addition to TACA.
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