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Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Tue Apr 10, 2001 6:47 pm

I've noticed in the OAG world airways guide that Indian travellers are offered many connections through Pakistan and in many cases on PIA on routes to the Middle East and Europe, but none are offered to Pakistani travellers via India nor on any of the Indian carriers, how come Confused

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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Tue Apr 10, 2001 10:20 pm

Can any one explain Smile
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Tue Apr 10, 2001 11:23 pm

I suspect because of the ongoing tensions between the countries, but PIA have obviously put that to one side. Do you know if many Indians fly to Europe on PIA? It would be interesting to find out.

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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 12:09 am

I know these services are offered by PIA but I have never heard of anyone flying through Pakistan to get to India, Indians or anyone else.

Also PIA flies to Indian cities but to the best of my knowledge Air India does not land its planes in any of its neighbouring countries, its Indian Airlines. So it would not be ideal for passengers to change airlines when flying from say Hong Kong to Karachi when there is a CX service through Bangkok.

Plus on a personal note, I'm sorry but the airports in India are not worth it. You would go nuts transiting there. I'm not sure about Pakistans airports but I have heard they are pretty similar. I am not trying to ffend anyone. Just my oppinion!

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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:23 am

Well, as for Pakistani airports, they are not cramped, they are barely half full with departing pax. Yes, sometimes they do get full but usually, it is pretty less noisy. As for India's policies, Government there controls who to act with Pakistan. They don't let their cricket team or any other team except for hockey participate with Pakistan so why should they allow airlines to land there.

PIA on the other hand, doesn't care for Government'
s businesses and their hard talk. Niether does Pakistan itself.
Sorry to offend anybody, but it is true.
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:49 am

On a side note, why do we all feel compelled to say "don't mean to offend anyone"? Hell, I'm a New Yorker, and I don't get offended when people tell me LaGuardia and Kennedy are airports so awful that Dante himself couldn't have come up with them.
 
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Ironminds

Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:11 am

Hello there,

Well, I just wrote it because I have in my life (both off and on the net) have seen people that are so sensitive that I can't describe them.
No other reason than that. Smile
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:17 am

Goofy and SR 103 are just trying to be respectull . I dont see anything wrong with that .
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 5:37 pm

GOOFY: Indian carriers are allowed to land in Pakistan And vice-versa. IC operates an A320 service to KHI from BOM. Lahore-DEL used to be avery popular route but IC no longer operates because of security reasons, as Lahore is considered particularly dangerous. PIA ofcourse has nothing to fear, so it operates on this profitable route.

AI has an all widebody fleet, and the traffic on the route doesnt justify using a 747/310.

Tensions between the 2 countries have hardly anything to do with it.

India does not allow its cricketers to play with Pakistan? Thats news. Sharjah series was cancelled for different reasons. READ the newspapers!

As far as connecting via-Pak goes, no way! Mainly because of convenience.

First of al, there are a number of attractive options that allow me to fly direct to Europe and LHR and beyond to the US, as well as to the east to HKG and Tokyo.

AI has around 16 747-400 flights on the LHR segment alone.

I do hear that Emirates offers fantastic deals to fly with them to LHR and beyond to the US at throwaway prices. Around HALF of AI.

But i would personally prefer to stick to an Indian carrier.
 
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:07 pm

Actually, the reason for this is that Pakistani nationals are not allowed to land at an Indian airport without a valid visa. However, India does not issue transit visas to Pakistani nationals - only visitor visas. And a Pakistani national would not be able to obtain a visitor visa without a specific invitation to India.

Hence, beaucratic bullsh*t prevents this from happening.

On another note, as an Indian national myself, I wouldn't be caught dead either on a PIA airplane or on Pakistani soil unless I absolutely had to. It is simply too dangerous, so why play with fire?
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:13 pm

Actually I'd feel the same regarding Indian carriers nad travelling to India, I guess its the mind set Smile
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:25 pm

Actually, the volume of traffic from Pakistan to India is significantly higher than the number of passengers flying from India to Pakistan. This has become more pronounced since the Indian Airlines hijacking in December 1999. Indian tourists, especially those Indians who still have family across the border (like my own parents) are keeping away in droves, and of course, technically the Pakistani government does not allow open trade with India. I have not heard of any Indian involvement or collusion in any Pakistani airline hijacking, so I don't know where Airmale is getting his phobias from, unless he means that he'd rather not fly an Indian carrier for other reasons (bad connections, spotty service, etc etc - for which he'd be right on target). Unfortunately, the reverse is not true. There have been numerous hijackings of Indian airliners into and through Pakistan over the last 30 years, and rightly or wrongly, Indian travellers have valid concerns.

All said and done, I have flown PIA from Bombay through Karachi and on to New York. A lot of Indians howled in protest when I told them I was doing that, but I figured it had to more interesting than, say flying on Lufthansa for an extra $ 300. I was a student then and the fare was dirt cheap. Karachi airport is a lot nicer than Bombay's airport, partly because security (in the early 90s) wasn't quite as tight as it was and is in Bombay. Also, it wasn't packed to the gills. Unfortunately, the PIA A300 arrives from BOM at about 3 in the afternoon and you sit around the KHI terminal surrounded by nothing but a few scowly guards with guns for 10 hours for the PIA 747 to JFK. Not much traffic on the apron either. There were about 20 other Indians making connections to Istanbul and Damascus as well, who were more intent on finding something to eat in the transit area. The PIA flight to JFK finally left on time, but made numerous stops (with delays at each) and we arrived at JFK 7 hours late, so all in all, it wasn't worth it.

Indians in general are a fussy bunch and the general consensus is that flying PIA isnt worth it because middle eastern carriers can offer good connections at lower costs than their European and American counterparts. Plus, as a friend put it, if I had to fly a subcontinental carrier, I'd stick with Air India, why PIA?
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Indianguy

Thu Apr 12, 2001 3:02 am

Well, I really didn't mean to offend you in anyway. I am really sorrry if I did. Please forgive for that. But for the cricket, the Indian team didn't go due to Government's decision. That's why, Air India, etc. have to get the permission from Govt. to operate to Pakistan which Indian airlines have been granted.
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Thu Apr 12, 2001 4:18 am

Yes i think indians should certainly stick to flying with AI or any other airline wherever they wish to go......... PIA certainly does NOT need them ........
 
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RE: Connections For Indian's Via Pakistan And PIA

Thu Apr 12, 2001 9:30 pm

I meant out of the patriotic "mind set" I would rather fly PIA than an Indian carrier, but am open to the experience Smile
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Well, It Would Help If PIA Wasn't On Strike

Sat Apr 14, 2001 1:17 pm

Given their current parlous state, PIA probably didn't want to pay Reed Elsevier (?) for the listing.