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Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:21 am

When I listen to IAH ATC I always hear "Continental 1 descending out of 17 for 12." Then the ATC says "Roger Continental 1 Heavy." I hear this a lot. Why does the pilot not always say that he is a "heavy?" Thanks!
 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 8:26 am

Perhaps the rule is not stringently enforced??

I would also like to know why "heavy" needs to be used for larger a/c, in US airspace. (It is not used in Europe).

CP
 
AJ
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 9:01 am

The term 'Heavy' denotes the aircraft's wake turbulence category. In the U.S. it should be used as part of the callsign, in Europe it is only on first contact with ATC.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
Junior
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 9:33 am

I hope I'm not wrong, but I think as already mentioned, in the U.S. it should be used with every call, in Canada only with the first call (every freq.) and in Europe only with the first call on the approach freq.
 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 10:46 am

Perhaps you had a scanner blip or that part of the transmission was muffled.

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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:00 am

"Heavy" indicates an aircrafts weight category. In the US it is over 255,000 pounds MGTOW.

Probably poor radio procedure on the pilots part.

JET
 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:06 am

When I listen to IAH ATC I always hear "Continental 1 descending out of 17 for 12." Also, when I listen to JAX Center I hear, "Southwest XXXX climbing out of 26 for 29." What's do those mean?
 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:03 pm

What you are hearing are the altitudes or flight levels.

"Continental 1 descending out of 17 for 12."

Continental 1 is descending out of 17000 for 12000.

 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:06 pm

Pilots don't acknowledge it because it's embarassing to be overweight. How would you like it if you talked on the radio and some said "OK, fatty" in response?

Skippy
 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 2:57 pm

Especially the weight of the captain's wallet make all the major's a/cs heavy...
 
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RE: Pilots Recognizing That They Are A "Heavy"

Wed Apr 11, 2001 4:04 pm

aaaahahahahahahaha  Smile

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