gkirk
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Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 5:11 pm

... the best future in terms of pax operation? I am thinking anything above MAN as Northern Britain. And give your reasons why.
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Billy
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 5:40 pm

Well NCL had better pull its socks up. I hear that they are set to lose their CPH and Belfast Brymon services.
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 5:44 pm

I would think Glasgow and Edinburgh are well placed. There's lots if talk about a new easyJet base at GLA, a PIA service to Faisalabad and new Transatlantic flights into EDI - COA are starting next year. Business traffic is booming at Edinburgh. I think its only a matter of time before it overtakes GLA as Scotlands busiest airport but both look like strong performers.

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RE: Billy

Wed Apr 18, 2001 5:52 pm

I heard the CPH route was doing very well so why is there a chance that Brymon might drop it?? The Belfast doesn't really surprise me, I hear Gill are thumping them on that route now but I aint completly sure about that.
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RE: Billy

Wed Apr 18, 2001 6:19 pm

GKirk,

Believe me that the CPH will go. The aircraft is tied to the BFS operation, and there is nothing for it to do.

I think punctuality had a lot to do with it. BRY is struggling to deliver on-time service.
 
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RE: Billy

Wed Apr 18, 2001 6:23 pm

Oh well, makes sense I suppose. Maybe someone else will take it up in the future. Could it be an opportunity for Gill or bmi commuter???
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 6:33 pm

Hi everyone

Whilst I think it is great that foreign airlines have at last realised that there are people living North of Birmingham, and have added news services to MAN, and other airports, I think the future of expanded pax services really exists in MAN.

Perhaps MAN doesn't count, as you did say everything North of MAN, but I think that if we are going to be realistic, and exclude London, then I'll have to be honest and say that I don't see exponential expansion in terms of International airlines (and hence pax traffic) at airports such as NCL, LPL, LBD and others.

It's brilliant that GO and Easy have started up at some of these airports, but I think this is mostly low-yield short-haul traffic, which doesn't generate pax traffic to the same scale as International airlines would, if they started flying into NCL, EDI.

Basically, I think either the populations of these towns and cities are not large enough to (in the airlines' opinion) warrant flying, lets say, a QF 744 into NCL 3x a week; or that there is not a high enough proportion of the population wishing to pay premium fares.

In London & Manchester, there are extremely high numbers of people wishing to fly Business or First, and the airlines love this.

But I may be wrong!

I think if we are just talking about any increase in pax traffic, I would put my money on EDI.

CP

 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 6:44 pm

Hi Billy

I'm sorry to ask, but from where do you have the information that the NCL-CPH route will go. AFAIK the route is doing quite well with an increasing number of passengers.

TIA

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SAS767

Wed Apr 18, 2001 8:17 pm

Brymon

Try booking after 1st May. As far as you know, you have been mis-informed SAS.

As I am in the industry, my sources are usually airlines. What are yours?
 
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RE: Billy

Wed Apr 18, 2001 8:24 pm

I have tried looking up oag and according to that the CPH service is still operating after 1 May.
BTW Where do you actually work? I might have to start a post about it, see what guesses we get. Big grin
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RE: Billy

Wed Apr 18, 2001 9:51 pm

Hey Guys,
what about the CDG-NCL flight operated by Gill Aiways in Air France colours? Does it go well or is there a possibility for Air France to drop this route. I hope they won't as I need to go to Newcastle in the next few months and I am an Air France frequent flyer.

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RE: Steman

Wed Apr 18, 2001 9:55 pm

The NCL-CDG route is doing very well and there is more chance of it being upgraded to AF mainline a/c than dropped. Enjoy your visit to NCL and I hope you enjoy yourself in the airport. If you want anything to know about NCL just ask as I am a regular traveller through the airport.
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RE: Steman

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:03 pm

The dash 8 released by the loss of the BFS/CPH service will be BRS-based and be used as a back-up to cover for those punctuality problems.

CO is looking good for EDI, but CO really want to see how the STN service performs. Early indications are that bookings are good. For airlines to start any regional services, routes need to perform well in other markets. That is why the loss of CHP @NCL is not good news for possible new routes north of MAN.
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:10 pm

Hi again Billy

I have just checked Amadeus and according to the information there, the NCL-CPH service is still operating after the 1st of May. I also checked the BA website and it seems like it's still possible to book a flight on NCL-CPH after May.

My sources Billy - Different inside persons at Copenhagen Airport and from them I haven't heard anything about Brymon dropping the CPH service

Please note that I'm not saying that you're wrong or I'm right! I just provide the informations I have about this issue...

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RE: Steman

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:13 pm

Humberside is growing faster than ever- 4 new holiday destinations this year- and many scheduled, eastern airways, the resident airline is looking at buying the saab 340 and hopes to open up Scandanavia destinations from Humberside. it has also been rumoured that there will be an AIH A320 and a BY757 or 737 based there over summer too.Plus jmc has started operating here to Majorca- which now means there are 7 flights a week to Majorca over Summer.

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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:14 pm

...but if the NCL-CPH really is going, then what about the brymon weekend service Bristol-NCL-CPH that runs every saturday and sunday with ERJ145

SAS767
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:18 pm

SAS
The news is pretty fresh. Keep checking the CRS, or try calling BA if you really want confirmation.

I really think that this Scandinavian connection with NCL is a little over-exaggerated. NCL is trying to get a BCN service for all of those suppliers etc at Nissan. I assume that now renault own Nissan, the CDG service will be doing extremely well.
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:27 pm

Billy

I assume you are right then - bad news for us here at Copenhagen. Hope to see them back later, when they have solved their punctuality problems!

I suppose it also effects the BRS-NCL-CPH run operating with ERJ145!?

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GKirk

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:38 pm

GKirk,

If you post an e-mail that works (the one on your profile was sent back to me), then I will answer your qs.
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Wed Apr 18, 2001 10:47 pm

I think the to Belfast Airports are in good shape. More and more people are travelling over to mainland GB and europe and with the reductions in airline ticket prices, fewer people could be bothered taking the ferry and driving. Also, Befast City is about to open its new passenger terminal, which will have about twice the capcity of teh ol one and will be able to take A321s, and passenger numbers for bother airports have been rising steadily so the future is looking good for them.
 
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RE: Billy

Wed Apr 18, 2001 11:08 pm

I have put an e-mail address on my profile that should work but here it is just for you: GKirk27@hotmail.com
I think the parental restrictions on aol may have prevented the last e-mail u tried to send, damn thing.
So with BRY coming off the NCL-CPH route , do you think there is any chance bmi could take over the route as its profitable or maybe even SAS take-over again.
Also, NCL are trying to get BCN? Maybe they should try to get easyJet to open up some routes from NCL as with all the Geordies in Northern Spain Im sure that would fill a 737 as with all the tourists and Nissan workers etc. What do you think?
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 12:06 am

Current Glasgow rumours include

1. new easyJet routes to Geneva, Barcelona, Nice and Palma as well as Belfast (confirmed)

2. possible new PIA Islamabad service

3. AA ORD service to go year round with 767-300s as from 2002

4. COA EWR to upgrade to DC10s in July and thereafter 767s

5. extension of the international pier built about 6 years ago.

Also a buzz going about that Brymon will be taking over all nonstop European services from BHX/MAN/GLA and operating the BA 319s for them.

Could be all pie in the sky - you know what happens.

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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 1:50 am

I read in another post that PIA will begin ops soon to Glasgow using A310s via Frankfurt. Any1 confirm this?
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 6:54 am

Yes but I hear 747s because they have a shortage of 310s - to Faisalabad not Islamabad as I said earlier
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 6:05 pm

Ok, so a few of you say EDI has the best chance ( when not including MAN) so do you think charter traffic will grow at EDI, or will BAA try to keep most charters at GLA? If there is an increse in charter traffic at EDI, do you think this will affect NCL in any way?
Anyone know of any new routes opening at any of the Northern airports?
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:33 pm

Maybe not quite north of MAN but what about Finningley? Not an airport yet, but I can see it happening.
 
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:35 pm

Finningley, thats near Doncaster, right? Well if MAN, LBA and HUY get their way I dont think it will be built im afraid.
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RE: Which Northern UK Regional Airport Has...

Thu Apr 19, 2001 7:58 pm

Finningley will go through i believe, but it will end up being a charter airport. I can't see US traffic or far east airlines wanting to serve Donnie when Manchester with its excellent rail links is 50 miles away.

I think the airports that will do well will be Manchester and Edinburgh to a lesser degree.

Edinburgh like all Scottish airports is limited to some degree by thier catchment area population, however this will be bolstered by inbound tourists.

Manchester on the other hand I believe will see rapid expansion very soon. The transport links to the airport bring people from a very large area, rumour is that terminal 4 won't be far off. T2 is to be expanded and a satellite pier opposite the cargo are is on the cards.

I also hope that LBA will see some expansion, it now has a cracking terminal and a very loyal customer base. Surface transport and the Chevin are the only things that really cause major problems.

Darren