dutchjet
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New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 6:36 am

Now that the AA/TWA deal is done, and the 2
airlines will be intergrated over the coming year, do you think that AA will order more new aircraft to replace those acquired from TWA. This is not about the 717. I am interested in whether another 737NG order, a new 757 order (maybe -300 series), or additional 767 (-400 series possibly) or 777s will be ordered by AA to replace some of the TWA planes and increase capacity on the TWA route system. I am sure that AA wants to rid itself of any remaining TWA DC-9s and while many of the TWA MD-80s are quite new, TWA also has some older examples dating back from the early 1980s (AA itself is beginning to retire some of its MD-80s). Finally, additional long range capacity will be needed if AA plans to operate and expand TWA's international network - TWA had retired its 762s and had a limited number of 763s in it fleet. Could be interesting to see what happens.
 
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 6:41 am

A good question.

I don't think we'll see anything immediately in the way of new orders. Remember, TWA did manage to update it's fleet quite a bit before the merger (disposing of 727, 747, L-1011, and some DC-9 equipment and adding numerous 757's, 767's, and MD-80's plus some 717's). I think that by paring off redundant and unprofitable routes and slots, they can eliminate the DC-9's for that. The remaining fleet should be ample to cover what's left of the TWA routes.

Also, what remains to be seen is how MUCH of the TWA route system AA keeps in place. If the way AA handled AirCal and Reno Air is an indicator of things to come, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
dutchjet
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 6:48 am

Your point is well-taken, Matt D. I also never understood American's actions with regard to Reno Air, and they also did the same thing with Air Cal in the early 1990s, buy the airline and then totally take the route system apart. AA has said that is wants to maintain the St Louis hub and expand it, to take pressure off of DFW and ORD, and AA also seems to be interested in whatever is left of TWA's international route system and maybe reinstate some services out of JFK. As I said, this could get very interesting. Thanks.
 
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 7:21 am

If they do keep TWA's plans in action, they're going to need to order at least a few dozen 717s, 737s, and/or 757s to be put in place of the cancelled Airbus orders.
 
Tan Flyr
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 8:03 am

As MattD stated, it will be a few months,IMHO, before AA instructs Boeing on how many more of which model to build. In the end tho, my guess is an add'l 12-18 777series, a trade later of some sort on the 757's from TW perhaps for 753's, and eventually an order for 764's to replace the 762's and a-300's(we have covered this at least 6 times in other threads with some interesting perspectives amongst us all).
Plus, with the sweet deal on the 717's, I think all of the original 50 will be delivered and perhaps even the options taken if a 717-300 is offered (f-100 replacements??).
Remember there is a gob of 738's to be delivered first to replace the retiring 727's, as well as a 20(?) plane order of 757's that start arriving soon.

One of the big focal points will be the huge MD-80 fleet. The first ones delivered will be 20 y/o soon. Re-engine or replace?......My guess, for the amount of money involved, all the other expenses going on, it will be a re-engine program.
 
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 8:18 am

Interesting, Tan Flyer, I did not know that an MD-80 re-engine program was in the offering; which engine will be used? I also heard that if the US Airways/UA/AA deal goes through, there will be some type of 757 swap between AA and UA so that each airline ends up with 757s with their engine of choice. A lot going on; I apologize if this has all been covered before, but a huge aircraft order that will influence the US skies could come out of this.
 
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 9:18 am

Tan Flyr,

One thing I've been espousing for some time is the possibility that AA look at the very likely possibility of replacing the original JT8D-217 engines on their newer planes in the Super 80 fleet with the Pratt & Whitney PW6000 series engine (probably the PW6024 24,000 lb. thrust version). This will allow the remaining Super 80 fleet to comply with the upcoming ICAO Stage IV noise rules and the proposed ICAO rules on exhaust emissions, and will allow the Super 80's to continue flying until at least 2016.

My guess is that AA will likely exercise more of their production slot options from Boeing to buy more 737-800 planes and likely order the 737-700 for the first time to fill in the routes formerly flown by TW.
 
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RE: New Aircraft Orders From AA Due To The TWA Deal.

Sun Apr 22, 2001 9:22 am

It would have been cool to see some L1011's and 747s in an interim AA/TWA scheme, but they got rid of them years before. darn.
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