White Elephant?

Thu May 20, 1999 5:58 am

Does anyone think that this A-3XX aircraft may not be that great at all?
Who wants to sit in a giant bus with 600 other people? I am very comfortable on aircraft like the 777. The 747-400 is big enough. It will take more that 1 stop to board this entire aircraft. Also, what airports will actually be able to handle this thing?
I hear there will be such luxuries as shops and restaurants on board. Thats all very nice, but people can shop on the ground. Why do we have to continue to shop on the way there? There is not a shortage of stores anywhere between this thing's destinations...I garuntee it. Even the airports have plenty of shops..but now aiprlanes?
I won't be the one to ride on this thing. Who knows, it could prove disastrous for airbus. It could turn out to be a white elephant. And a crash would be like the knife going into the heart of could actually cripple the company. Personally, I think this thing is a flying disaster.
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RE: White Elephant?

Thu May 20, 1999 6:07 am

Substitute "747" for "A-3XX" and "707" or "DC-8" for "747" and that post could have been written 30 years ago. And when the railways started we were all going to "suffocate at speeds greater than 30mph".

The only doubts I have about flying in an aircraft wider than the 747 is that the chances of getting a window seat would be reduced.
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RE: White Elephant?

Thu May 20, 1999 6:17 am

You read my mind. While I was registering a username you posted your reply.

All I can add is that there will always be people afraid of technology and the future. CapK has obviously never been on a long flight. Stores, a bar or anything that would get me out of the seat would be highly welcomed.

I think the A3XX would be an amazing aircraft, bigger and better. I truly hope they will build it. Imagine the magic of taking a photo of such a beast landing.
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RE: White Elephant?

Thu May 20, 1999 6:24 am

I hope I wasn't too rough on you, CaptK. As Freddy said, it's a common reaction to something new. I have the advantage/disadvantage of having been brought up on flying when ALL long haul flights were in narrow bodies because there weren't any wide bodies. When the 747 came along there were those for it and those against it. The arguments being raised against the A-3XX sound so familiar.

And just to be clear, I'd love it if Boeing ALSO produced something similar. Whether there really will be a market for it in the near future or not remains to be seen but my fingers are crossed.
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RE: White Elephant?

Thu May 20, 1999 8:04 am

Id love to have bars and entertainment on board
I mean long haul flights kill you!
Particularly living in Sydney Australia!
23 hours to London
18 hours to South Africa
15 hours to LA
Etc etc etc
Its a nightmare
So I agree with Frddy about it.... anyway who knows? I rekcon it will be a succes just like the 747 was a revalation after narrow bodied aircraft,
now this Super wide bodied aircraft should have the same sort of impact!
Thanks guys

RE: 787

Thu May 20, 1999 10:43 am

I have heard on this forum that Boeing will launch an 800 seat Boeing 787. Can you imagine how HUGE that would be? Here's how I invision it: 3 leves; the first being pax only, the second level would have 3 seats between the indow and aisle, and in the center would be shops, restaurants, etc. Then on the other side another 3 seats. Between shop, etc there would be a row of 7 seats, with another shop behind that. I'm already working on making a seating layout on Paint Shop Pro, e-mail me and I'll send it to you in a few days. :) Of cours I'm talking seating for the second level. And for the third level, it would not be much bigger than the second level on a 747-400, with pax only. I think this would be great on international flights and long-hauls, but impractible from say, like, JFK-ATL.
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Reality Check

Thu May 20, 1999 8:41 pm

I can assure you gentlemen that there will be no shops, restaurants, or bowling alleys on any airliner. One passenger seat occupies about 6 square feet of floor space. Unless such a store was the most expensive store in the galaxy, there will be more revenue from using floor space for passenger seats. There isn't even enough room for two people to pass each other in the aisle much less browse the cabin window shopping. When the 747 was introduced, some airlines used the upper deck for a bar lounge. It wasn't long before they came to their senses and replaced those with passenger seats. They momentarily forgot that airliners are for transport, not entertainment. Increased passenger loads are the only thing that can spur the development of a larger liner, not some wiseguy idea for a swimming pool, disco, or billiard hall.
This reality check was free. Future reality checks are $10 each, or you can buy a package of 3 for $25. Taxes not included.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
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RE: Reality Check

Thu May 20, 1999 8:55 pm

Couldn't agree more, Hmmmm. There would have to be a market for such a large aircraft to have a good load factor in at least a mixed-class layout.

Given its size, perhaps in a few cases some extras, like one or two tiny kiosks, could be fitted but it would still have to carry a LOT of passengers to be worthwhile. A swimming pool has also been mentioned. All that water sloshing around? Yeah, right!

I was going to say something similar in my first reply but I'd already done enough rambling.

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