DELTA777
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PanAm`s European Flights

Mon Apr 23, 2001 7:33 am

What intereuropean flights did PanAm fly? I know they had a hub in frankfurt and what happend to all of the flights after Delta bought them out.

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Cody
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Mon Apr 23, 2001 8:09 am

Here's a peek at what they did in February of 1987. Frankfurt to Athens, Berlin (up to twelve times a day), Bombay, Budapest, Delhi, Karachi, London, Los Angelas, Moscow, Munich, New York JFK, Nuremberg (no local traffic rights), Prague, Riyadh, Stockholm, Warsaw, Washington Dulles, and Zagreb. London to Amsterdam, Brussels, Munich, Oslo, and Hamburg. Paris to Tel Aviv; Rome to Nice; Geneva to Zurich; Berlin to Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Amsterdam; Hamburg to Copenhagen; Copenhagen to Oslo; Stockholm to Helsinki; Moscow to Leningrad; Karachi to Bombay; Riyadh to Delhi; Shannon to Vienna; Stuttgart to Munich; Budapest to Bucharest; Dubrovnik to Zagreb and Budapest. They were also trying to get Frankfurt to Nairobi. I don't know if they ever did. Other cities not mentioned were served nonstop from the U.S., not to mention flights with the U.S. as well as South America and the Caribbean.
 
cedarjet
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Mon Apr 23, 2001 9:12 am

Wow. Amazing route network. No airline before or since has had such a wide range of European flights, not even close. Frankfurt to Zagreb, London to Oslo, Rome to Nice, Shannon to Vienna, Stuttgart to Bucharest, and on to Saudi, India etc.
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ryanair
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Mon Apr 23, 2001 11:28 pm

I'll be able to answer you question sometime in the future, as although it isn't currently up and running, I am currently in the process of posting an entire Pan Am System Timetable (from 1990) on my webpage, which is www.atmosphere.be/travel/jjd

Simply from the index, click on the "Pan American History" link. For anyone whose interested if you email me at panamhistory@yahoo.com.au I'll try and update you when it's up and running.

Hope that helps
 
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Tue Apr 24, 2001 12:23 am


Delta axed these flights because they felt this wasn´t necessary anymore, due to their alliance with AF.
I was fortunate enough to be on a DL flight FRA-ATH-FRA in 1994 which was the continuation of ATL-FRA (same flight no.). A/C was A310-200, inherited from PA as well - my only Pan Am flight  Crying, well, sort of...

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BostonBeau
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Tue Apr 24, 2001 12:29 am

I once bought a PA timetable from the early 1950's at a collectibles show. Some intra-European flights were operated by Pan Am's subsidiary Panair do Brasil too, especially in southern Europe. I wonder in what year the European system was at its largest? Maybe in the 1960's during the B707 era? Or was it after the introduction of the B747 when the Frankfurt operation was at its peak?
 
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Tue Apr 24, 2001 1:20 am

Delta did not ax these flights due to Air France. They were cut long before then, and they were cut due to low profitability and the planes were needed in the United States. Now they have Air France flying to a majority of these destinations, and Delta still flies one route, the FRA-Mumbai route.

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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Tue Apr 24, 2001 2:51 am

To futher update, they did fly Frankfurt-Narobi on an A310-300 for a short time.

Delta intitally had much financial trouble with the entire European network acquired from Pan Am, and shut down the Frankfurt hub (along with many other routes out of JFK, MIA and IAD) for that and the other following reasons: 1) UA and Lufthansa were beginning their relationship which later developed into STAR Alliance, Delta decided that this was no longer suitable territory for the heart of its European operation. 2) Also, Lufthansa regained the rights to provide internal Germany service to Berlin, giving it another reason to loose its interest in Germany.
 
ryanair
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RE: PanAm`s European Flights

Tue Apr 24, 2001 3:35 am

LH's domestic routes ex Berlin is the old PanAm IGS (Internal German Services), which they purchased in 1990, before DL acquired the PA trans atlantic routes.

I think once the IGS routes went, the inter European flights became unviable as a stand alone network, compared to when supported by the IGS. Also people forget how well known PA was, nobody much outside of the US had ever heard of Delta and certainly didn't associate flying them between Frankfurt and Prague etal.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2001 5:23 am

How come I can't get into your webpage? The address is error.

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