airmale
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Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Tue Apr 24, 2001 9:31 pm

Why are SV not serving Brunei an oil rich country and the Maldives a superb tropical resort? both are tiny Muslim states with 100 percent Muslim populations and there obviously must be demand on the Male-Jeddah and Bandar Seri Begawan-Jeddah routes and yet SV are absent in these countries, I know Royal Brunei fly to Jeddah with the 767 but is that enough? what about Air Maldives do they fly to Saudi Arabia, do SV have plans to fly there in the future Smile

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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Tue Apr 24, 2001 9:36 pm

Air Maldives no longer fly anymore, they had to shut downt their long haul A310 routes(Bangkok, Dubai, Europe) and all that is left i think is a tiny aircraft flying within the Maldives, if any at all.
I cant see their being much demand for Saudi Arabia-Maldives flights. Unlike the neighbouring coutnries in South Asia, there is a demand for labout to the Middle east, but Maldives is so small thay they in fact import their labour from these countries and dont really send labourers to the Middle East from the Maldives.
And I suppose charters fromEurope and Emirates/SriLankan connections provide enough capacity on the Europe-Maldives sector.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Tue Apr 24, 2001 9:41 pm

I can only guess that it is a matter of economics - is there adequate demand for such service? I have been to Brueni (it is fascinating, but that is not for this forum) and although the population is, in general, wealthy, it is small; not that many people reside in Brunei. As for Maldives, is it a favored touristical destination for the Saudi Arabian population? There are many fabulous resorts in the Gulf States, so maybe going to the Maldives is not of interest to Saudi Arabian people. The fact that populations of 2 nations share relgious beliefs does not guarantee direct air service between the nations; maybe this is because we can all travel to just about anywhere in the world, regardless of relgious belief, and that is a good thing!
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Tue Apr 24, 2001 9:51 pm

that is tragic news, i was actually planning a new scheme for Air Maldives, so is any country interested in setting up an airline there? perhaps the Saudis with their Billions to spare? as for traffic between Saudi Arabia and the Maldives im sure it exists for Umra, if not Labour as 100 percent of Maldives population is Muslim and they must be going for pilgrimage, therefore a direct service makes sense with A300 or 777 or the 747 routed via Bombay, Trivandrum or Karachi if not nonstop Smile
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:04 am

Actually, Saudi Arabian Airlines did fly to Brunei's capital Bandar Seri Begawan. But it's a non-schedule charter. I noticed that from OAG Worldwide Flight Guide. It's operated by a 747-300.

For the Maldives flight, I think if SV wants to operate this route, I think they should go non-stop with a MD90s (Does MD90 has the range from Dammam or Riyadh to Male?)
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Wed Apr 25, 2001 2:33 pm

Dutchjet is right. When Saudis go on holidays they go mostly to the following countries:

Average Saudis:
Neighbouring Gulf countries
Syria
Lebanon

Rich Saudis:
UK
Singapore
USA (Disneyland)

Most of you must know that in Saudi Arabia it is usual for a family to have 5-10 children. So when planning their next holiday, amusement facilities for children are taken into consideration. That's why USA and Singapore top the list.
Lebanon is still one of the favourites since it combines Western freedom with Arabic Culture.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Wed Apr 25, 2001 3:10 pm

>>>Lebanon is still one of the favourites since it combines Western freedom with Arabic Culture.<<

Don't forget drinkies!  Big grin
 
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Airmale

Wed Apr 25, 2001 5:05 pm

Hello,

I don't think Air Maldives needed a new livery, their new CI on their A310s was definitely one of the best I've ever seen. I believe they stopped flying in March 2000. Currently, Island Air with one ex Air Maldives Dash8 (or DO228, I'm not 100% sure) and Gan-based Ocean Air with a Convair 580 (beautiful flower livery) serve the domestic routes, apart from Hummingbird and Maldivian Air Taxi with their water planes.

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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Wed Apr 25, 2001 8:27 pm

SV should operate their Colombo flights via Maldives at least oneway Smile
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Wed Apr 25, 2001 8:36 pm

To add to Kevin's point,Arabians do not really go for such holidays which are mainly beach and snorkelling, in keeping in line with their Islamic culture. And thats all the Maldives can offer.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 1:11 am

Airmale,

The population of the Maldives is 270,000 and the population of Brunei is 340,000

Maybe Saudia should consider starting a service with Gulfstreams!
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 1:18 am

I would like to comment on what Airmale previously said. Brunei and Maldives has 100% Muslim populations.

I do not know about Maldives but Brunei, 100% Muslim populations? If Airmale said more than 90% of Brunei's populations were Muslims, then I will agree with him. Do you know what I'm sayin' here?
 
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Not Enough Market There!

Thu Apr 26, 2001 1:42 am

Hello,

Well I really don't know about Burnei, but for Maldives, following might account for it.

Maldives, as we all know, is a group of small (very small) islands with one semi major city which is there capital Male. Most of the Maldivean work for resort companies there or fish. Some might be doing well off jobs but mostly are involved in these two industries. They, in no sense, have a strong or prosperous economy and are only dependent on small resort, fish industry with few manufacturing plants. Due to the remotness of the island, trade basically exists between Sri Lanka and Male. The comments previously posted for this forum says that it will be sensible if SV flies from Colombo to Male. Well, they could take a short, much cheaper route by boats while enjoy the scenery. Besides, Air Lanka flies there and Air Maldives flies to Colombo, so how much market do you think does SV has for their Male route?

For Brunei, I say that SV probably code shares with Some South East carrier like SIA, Garuda and Air Malaysia fly there providing not sufficient market for Brunies.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 5:58 am

The population base of both of these countries isnt sufficent to supply the number of slaves needed by Saudi Arabia, therefore there is no point in flying there!

If you dont know what I'm talking about, you obviously havent met the majority of the passengers who travel on SV's Asian routes.
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 6:06 am

Ambasaid,

Good point. In fact, Brunei owing to its glittering wealth from oil sales is actually a net importer of such "slaves".

Don't worry Airmale...daily SV slaveships will continue to MNL, KHI, ISL, JKT etc well into the forseeable future.

Strangely enough, SV have uprgraded all India routes to the 772.

 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 6:19 am

Bove,

I thought that the "upgrade" to 772 on the Indian routes only applied during the Hadj, the B747's have gone back on the route.

The 772 didnt have enough seats!
 
Bove
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 6:41 am

Ambasaid,

Wasn't aware that the 747's were back plying the Subcontinent routes. My last RUH-DEL trip was on the "77H" (domestic config) during Hajj but I hadn't put two and two together to realize it was just a temporary move while the 74's were being reallocated elsewhere.

Even the 77H has only got around 250 Y/C seats so I really wondered why they were being used on such high density routes.

I see the 77H is replacing the 741 on some routes but SV have really got it down to a science with the old clunkers: 369 "male" seats plus the upfront Y/C "family" cabin just ahead of the 2L door and opposite the full-length galley. A small F/C for the poachers and slaveowners plus the mysterious upper deck gaudy lounge for the occassional VIP. Don't know how they'll ever find a replacement for those aircraft which are by and large old and rickety!
 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 1:31 pm

Forget the 369 "male" seats on the -100, they now have 444 seats all Y/C. The upperdeck is reserved for airline staff who dont want to travel with the "slaves".

The -100 aircraft are old, but they cant be replaced due to hadj requirements, even if they are taken out of service, I guess that you will still see them hopping up each year.
 
Bove
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 2:05 pm

444 Y/C seats! Amazing...a true slaveship in every sense of the word then.

Personally, my idea of hell would have to be something like operating those decrepit 741's over the Sahara on the way to Kano with 450+ tempestuous Nigerians aboard.

Still its heartbreaking to watch these poor girls just arrived from Jakarta or the bearded ones in from Peshawar having to face God knows what in the Magic Kingdom. Really makes you stop and think.

Is it true about the old 732's and L10's being used as monuments on Jeddah roundabouts? The DC3 roundabout in North Jed. is a must see but really lacklustre compared to what else Jeddah has to offer. Beautiful city IMHO. RUH is quite another story however.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: Saudi Arabian's Absence From Maldives & Brunei

Thu Apr 26, 2001 8:14 pm

Sorry, the roundabout thing was just part of my vivid imagination.

I dont know about the L1011's but i would expect more of the B737's to go back into service due to cadet pilot training requirements.

There is no comparision between the Bride of the Red Sea and RUH!

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