mjzair
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SWA To Swf?

Tue Apr 24, 2001 11:52 pm

Can anyone please confirm (or negate) the rumor that Southwest will start flying to Newburgh Stewart Airport in New York (and when)? And if possible, any new destinations announced by them?
Thanks,
Mark
 
thomacf
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:24 am

What city is that near?
 
dc10@dfw
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:33 am

It is near Pokeepsie NY (not sure of spelling) but anyway it is about 50 miles + / - north of NYC.
 
mjzair
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 3:12 am

The closest landmark is West Point NY.
It is already served by
AA to ORD.
US to BWI and PHL.
MIDWAY to RDU.
Comair to CVG.
ASA to ATL.
UA to IAD.
 
ScottB
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:17 am

SWF is Newburgh, NY (Stewart Airport, formerly a U.S. Air Force base).

Southwest is unlikely to add any new cities this year, and they tend to keep that sort of information very close to the vest. I doubt you'll see them serving SWF within the next 12 months, but you'll likely see them there within the next 10 years.  Smile
 
ABQ757
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:53 am

WN already is already serving Islip, why add SWF?
 
jmc1975
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RE: ABQ757

Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:34 pm

The NYC area is such a huge market, they have a large population to draw from. ISP serves Long Island and the eastern boroughs of NYC, while it would be rather impractical for someone north of the city or someone in Northern New Jersey to drive there. Also, ALB would be too far for them. Consider this: they serve into 2 alternate cities for Boston. They are MHT and PVD. They serve SJC and OAK in the CA Bay Area as well as LAX, BUR, ONT and SNA in the Greater LA Basin. So if you have doubts about it, there IS a market there at SWF for Southwest
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Jsheldon
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:41 pm

Why add SWF? Because it would take people from the SWF area (mainly me) over 2 hours (maybe more with heavy traffic) to get from SWF to ISP. Most people are not willing to drive 2 hours in heavy traffic when they have to catch a flight. It'd be nice to see something larger then a F100 (although I do enjoy seeing the AA F100 while I'm there, and yes I do see the C-5's) but I can remember when Delta used to have 737's or 727's (I cant remember which, I was 7 or 8) and now Delta only has Comair RJs and ASA RJ's. I hope somebody would begin service to SWF...
 
Pe@rson
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 8:04 pm

Now we have established that there is a huge population in NYC and that the people are widely distrubuted, it would seem that SWF is perfectly located. In your humble opinion, what destinations would initially be served from the airport? Those in Florida perhaps, i.e. FLL, TPA?

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mjzair
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:13 pm

Delta also used to operate the MD-88 from ATL.
If there is a question as to market size... I have flown about 8 times in and out of Stewart on US, ASA, Comair, AA, and Delta Back in the day, and they were always at least 75% full, and these were mid-weeks....
 
Boeing757/767
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:20 pm

Why bother to drive from the Newburgh area to Islip. Go up to Hartford!
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ScottB
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:03 am

BDL is nearly two hours' drive from SWF with little traffic; it's really not an option for most folks in the Hudson Valley. The catchment area for SWF would be Dutchess, Putnam, Orange, and Westchester Counties in New York, as well as some spillover from folks willing to drive up from the Bronx on the Thruway, Danbury CT, and even potentially Scranton & Wilkes-Barre PA (due to the "Southwest effect"). There are well over 1.5 million people within 50 miles (not even counting NYC) and SWF lies at the junction of two major interstates.
 
afitch7881
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:44 am

Although SWF sounds good and attractive for Southwest to add service to, I think there are other cities on their list that they might want to consentrate on who have less of an option than SWF does. Like Norfolk, they have quite a few flights, but where is the nearest SW city from them? I dont think it is 2 hours away. I would asume SWF to be added within the next 1-5 years, but SW does take into account lots of things when they bring a city into service, and they dont want that city to fail, which has happened only 3 times in their history. As for now, ISP, BDL and ALB might just have to be where you need to go for SW. How far of a drive is ALB? It cant be any more than 70 miles and that is probably why SW doesnt want to start service now.
 
Boeing757/767
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:47 am

Yeah, but BDL is better than Islip for those in Dutchess, and Putnam counties.

Both 2 hours, but BDL has no bridges to cross, no tolls to pay and less traffic to get to.
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Jsheldon
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RE: SWA To Swf?

Thu Apr 26, 2001 7:46 pm

Hey! Don't forget us in Rockland County.. we (and I dont speak for all of us but...) I'm sure most of us would rather drive up to SWF then down to one of the big NYC airports.