wolfy
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Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:51 am

A VERY interesting article for you guys from the financial post:

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Roots Air rethinking fleet, service plans
Undecided about A330: 'Evaluating all routes, the aircraft ... and the service'


In the face of a tough domestic market, Roots Air appears to be retrenching by re-evaluating its fleet plans and on-board service.

The Toronto-based airline, launched a month ago amid much fanfare, admitted yesterday it is undecided about whether to add a large, 316-seat Airbus A330 to its fleet of four smaller jets.

It is also reassessing its offering of three different types of service, which have scored high satisfaction levels with travellers, but are costing the carrier substantial amounts of money because it has been unable to fill its planes.

"Bearing in mind that we are a new carrier ... we are evaluating all routes, the aircraft that we've got on routes and the service we are providing," said Brock Stewart, a spokesman for the airline.

"It's an evolutionary process and we're prepared to do whatever is necessary to remain competitive and react to the needs of our customers."

Although Mr. Stewart said loads have been steadily improving, Roots has been struggling to fill its planes. The company has run two deep seat sales since launch and is offering tickets at less than half their regular prices.

From the outset, the Roots business plan to lure higher-paying travelers with extra amenities has been regarded skeptically by industry watchers because of doubts a sufficient market exists.

Several industry sources said yesterday delivery of a new A330 airplane that was to fly the Toronto-Vancouver route has been deferred or cancelled and a class for flight attendants to work on the plane has been postponed.

Mr. Stewart said Roots Air's parent, SkyService Airlines Inc., is still taking on new, leased A330s, but it is no longer certain any will be assigned to Roots.

Sources also said Roots will drop its mid-level Silver Class service on May 1, but Mr. Stewart denied this.

"There has been no change as of today in terms of the service we offer in the three classes of service," he said.

Regardless, Roots is already moving away from its original business plan, which called for the carrier to fly five planes, a mix of 168-seat Airbus A320s and A330 jets, by the end of the first year. In the second year, it was to add six more A320s.

But Mr. Stewart said the carrier has been forced to respond to changes in the industry. Most significantly, Canada 3000 purchased Royal Aviation and CanJet Airlines recently and this month it unveiled a heavy domestic flying schedule complete with a new business class.

For example, on the key Toronto-Calgary route there are at least 21 flights a day during the week, including WestJet, which will begin flying from nearby Hamilton, Ont., this summer.

"With the changes in the market, we're evaluating everything at this stage in order to address the competitive environment we find ourselves in," he said.

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I Would really REALLY love to see Roots Air flying its A330, what do you guys think?!?!?!

Regards,

Wolfy
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:58 am

To big too soon!!!

I think that the aircrafts is great and would be a good addition, but its too soon. The smaller ones are fine.

Rootsboy/girl

As the article said, they are not getting full price for the tickets, so ya the flights are full, but they are not making any money. What has to happen, is that the service you are providing must influance these people to buy tickets at full fare, then and only then will the 330 work

Keep up the good work and grind it out, Roots will make it,

Grant
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Ikarus
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 6:59 am

This sounds interesting. The plane has just been painted, and already it is no longer needed....

I hope no one takes offence at this, but I can't help getting the impression that the management of this airline is a bit undecided... Good luck to them. If they continue in this fashion, they'll need it.

Regards

Ikarus
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 8:39 am

Funny enough, just a recently I stated that "If it doesn't work out, they could downsize to 320's for RootsAir operations, and the 330 could possibly be used for their Skyservice charter operations." How about the article: "Mr. Stewart said Roots Air's parent, SkyService Airlines Inc., is still taking on new, leased A330s, but it is no longer certain any will be assigned to Roots."

As to putting the 330 in Roots colours, no big deal. It's a basic white fuselage, just pull off the Roots name and put on Skyservice. A lot of decals are now used nowadays, it's not a big deal.


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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 9:20 am

with all do respect they are screwed.; the market is not ready for a new airline with there routes. I think they should convert to more of a southwest or jet blue policy.
 
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Roots Air A330

Fri Apr 27, 2001 10:17 am

Even Air Canada is downsizing, and also the economy is not doing well, I guess they just didn't came in on a right time!  Sad It'll be so nice to see A330 in Root's Air's color, or even... B744 or A340!!! (Imagine)
A330 is a good plane to use on YVR-YYZ, but I think it's still hard to say as they r still new. AC's widebodies in everything departing Vancouver are always FULL! So I guess there are still potentials?!

Regards,

Wolfy
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 11:19 am

Went to a meeting today. We still have the 330's, they just may be used for other types of flying for the time being. Apparently, one of the deciding factors was A/C's reported loss of revenue. Given the fact that RootsAir is still in the start up mode I don't think it is such a bad idea, just smart re-thinking in the ever-changing aviation world. Notwithstanding this, the good thing for crewmembers is that we can fly SSV or RootsAir, so we can still have a go at working on the 330 which is my preferred aircraft to work on.

As for going "Southwest or Jetblue". No it will not happen. Our Silver Class cabin is our best seller and it always sells out first. I still believe that if we can offer the business traveller competetive prices along with an excellent mileage plan then we will survive! Cheers.
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 12:40 pm

I think this is a good move. The first few months or year is difficult on a new airline. It is best not to grow too fast. This is where new airlines get into trouble.

AC_B777
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 1:55 pm

Well I don't think I'll ever get to see Roots Air.
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Fri Apr 27, 2001 7:09 pm


I don't understand this way of running a company at all.
If they are so small, they should have thought twice BEFORE ordering that A330.
This gives the impression that the managers are playing a game , yes we do, no we don't, yes we do, no we don't , yes we do ...
No, if that is true I don't have any confidence in those managers, like already sais, good luck to them, they will need it !!
 
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Rootsgirl

Sat Apr 28, 2001 5:40 am

Hey Rootsgirl, may I ask if you have ever worked on SS's A330 before? How's the aircraft interior like, and it's all economy class right? Is it pretty new inside? I know AC's A330s are all new and nice, and I heard that they will soon install PTVs in A330s and A345s first, then maybe the older A340s.

Just curious!  Smile

Regards,

Wolfy
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sat Apr 28, 2001 7:17 am

Hi Wolfy,
Yes, I have worked on the A330. As you are aware, RootsAir is only a division of SSV and a lot of us have been at SSVfor some time so we have flown the 330 for our SSV flights. Some crew prefer to work on the smaller 320, but not me, I love the 330 and can't wait for CF-BUS to arrive home (next week). In the winter SSV's 330-300 is totally economy configured, holding 387 pax at max capacity. but still has a good seat pitch (it's longer than Transat's and C-3's 200 series) In the summer we also have our Premier Class. A total seat config of 361. 31 seats in the fwd cabin are Premier Class. The cabin is also seperate. Lots of leg room and the service is really impressive. I flew a gentleman back from Rome last year, he told me he had a choice of flying on Alitalia First Class or giving SSV Premier Class a try. He loved it, and I can see why. We work really hard and the service is non-stop. Also, I find the 330 spacious, more user friendly for passengers and crewmembers. In my opinion, you can't beat it for comfort.
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:03 am

Rootsgirl,
How much for the Premier Class upgrade to/from Rome?
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sat Apr 28, 2001 11:03 am

And how long have they started up for?
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sat Apr 28, 2001 11:07 am

Hi WateWate,
It's $200.00 each way, but I recommend it for the return flight because on the outbound flight most pax sleep. Sure you can wake up to a fabulous champagne breakfast with 4 choices of hot meal, hot pastries and sweet rolls. Save it for when you will be coming westbound, awake all day, drink all you want, eat like a king with antipasto, 4 course meal, dessert trolley, wine and cheese trolley, liquer trolley, more bar and then a wonderful snack about an hour and a half out of YYZ. Regards
 
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RE: Premier Class Upgrade

Sun Apr 29, 2001 4:36 am

It's $225 each way this year. Still worth the extra $ for all the service and the seat that you get.

Long live C-FBUS.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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I Saw The A330 At YYZ Today.

Sun Apr 29, 2001 5:21 am

Saw Roots' A330 toaday at YYZ....just a big looking A320 if you ask me....but it was interesting non the less....BTW Also saw the first Austrian Airlines flight into YYZ today...also an A330.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sun Apr 29, 2001 5:55 am

All of the Airlines in Canada are downsizing with the exception of Westjet which receives it's around 90 new generation 737's. In my opinion Roots Air made a huge mistake in choosing their market, i believe they would have been more successful if they had just used A330's and just fly international routes. There is no space in the Canadian market for Roots Air, it is dominated by Air Canada and in the west by Westjet to a certain extent.
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sun Apr 29, 2001 6:20 am

Not all airlines are downsizing...Canada 3000 has 10 A319's on order, plus two A340's. Air Canada is retiring a lot of planes, but also introducing 4 new 767's and the final A330 deliveries...A319's and A321's in the fall....plus A340-600's next year....Transat is getting A310's...BTW the 2nd plane was delivered...it has the perfect registration for TRANSAT...C-GLAT, LAT as in LATE...hahahaha. ANyway...airlines may be restructuring and retiring old planes, but they are still getting new ones.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sun Apr 29, 2001 6:39 am

Fallingeese... Try 36 new 73G's. Not 90
 
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RE: I Saw The A330 At YYZ Today.

Sun Apr 29, 2001 9:49 am

I also saw the A330 today. Can't wait to see the inside.
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:00 am

Wesjet's options total up to 90 aircraft, with around 40 firm orders. They are leasing 15 from GECAS, with more options.
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RE: I Saw The A330 At YYZ Today.

Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:01 am

I know I'm competition, but how much trouble would I get in from Roots if I went and had a peak inside the airplane some morning???  Smile
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
wolfy
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RE: I Saw The A330 At YYZ Today.

Sun Apr 29, 2001 4:45 pm

Wow, I just came to YVR from YYZ today, but how come I didn't see it? So sad... But I saw 6J's A320!  Smile It was just parked beside B744, which is the one I took today!  Smile

Regards,

Wolfy
 
slawko
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RE: I Saw The A330 At YYZ Today.

Sun Apr 29, 2001 6:18 pm

Isn't 6J Canjet??? They have no plastic.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Sun Apr 29, 2001 6:27 pm

No, 6J is RootsAir's IATA code and call code.
 
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C-FRAE At YYZ

Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:04 pm

C-FRAE arrived at YYZ yesterday and was parked at Air Canada Midfield cargo for the whole afternoon in great sunlight. I along with a ton of other local photogs got some great shots of it, I'll try to get them in a magazine soon, the aircraft looked absolutely stunning. Also noted at YYZ yesterday was C-GRYK with Canada 3000 titles  Crying  Crying  Crying and C-GRYI was sporting LARGE C3 titles. C-GLAT departed 06L at around 3:00pm, along with C-GTDB with no titles and Airtours tail logo. The Roots Air 727 was parked on the de-icing pad (couldn't shoot it unfortunately, it is a nice looking bird I must say) next to a C-141 Starlifter. So I must say yesterday was quite an interesting day at YYZ, also due to the inaugural Austrian A330 flight from VIE.

Jeremy
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:40 am

Is anybody positive whether the A330 will be flying for Roots or for Sky Service?
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:44 am

I would think that ROOTS would at least try to fly it seeing as they went through the trouble of painting it in those colours, and re-doing the interior.

Hey RYK...Better get pics of the LAST ROYAL Plane that has yet to be scared...I think it's RYV...other then that NAP and NAQ still look normal...and they will not be decaled.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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Slawko

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:31 am

I heard from Tom Kim today that NAP is going to be converted to an all cargo config to replace GCDD (they are going to cut that one up)... Anyways I shot FNAQ today, and there are still 3 A310's without C3 titles, RYI is the only one with the C3 titles. Anyways FRAE sat at AC Cargo in the same spot as yesterday for the whole day. Austrian sent in OE-LAO (Star Alliance c/s) today. Also, heads up at YYZ on Monday, 11:30 am Air Force 2 is arriving (that explains the C-141 on the deicing pad) with Dick Cheney. BTW the new store looks great eh!?! TONS more room.

Jeremy
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RE: Slawko

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:39 am

RYK...there are more then 1 A310I am 100% sure of that...Actually Tom was almost right...NAP does Cargo all week, and then goes to pax on weekends, but as of May 1 both NAP and NAQ are supposed to be parked, so NAP will be running Cargo full time covering for DCC, which is not being scrapped, Boeing went to look at it and they are going to re-build it in Torbay. Conifair will rebuild the enigines, but the structural stuff will be don by Boeing directly...OH and I guess he told you about the eagle?
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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Slawko

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:17 am

how long does it take for them to convert from cargo to pax?
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Mon Apr 30, 2001 4:40 pm

Yes, I am positive where it will end up, but I can't say anything. I know that is like answering half a question, but I trust you will understand that it is confidential information. Lets' just say, nothing ever seems like it appears. Cheers and may the love of aviation keep us all together!
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 12:53 am

if they keep the A330 it will boost the airlines revenue and hype. Though if they don't opperate it theyd will strugle even more. Does anybody know how much a month Roots is gaining/loosing?
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 4:20 am

How did Slawko turn this topic "Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!" to talk about Royal/C3 aircrafts?
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 4:31 am

In a related development, Roots Air is also rethinking its name. Apparently "Roots" has too much of a "ground" (as in "we're about to hit the...") connotation. To fight this image problem, Roots will now be called "Uncrash Airlines".

A spokesman for Roots/Uncrash said "we want to project an image of safety as well as comfort and Uncrash does that for us." Uncrash will also unveil an "extra safe class" where passengers will be issued parachutes.


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RE: C-FRAE At YYZ

Tue May 01, 2001 6:02 am

Hey roots boy it wasn't me, C-GRYK started it!!  Smile  Smile  Smile

Saw C-FBUS today...looked like it needed a good scrub!!
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 9:09 am

Hey Slawko, does that mean your'e volunteering to clean it? Actually, I thought it looked as it pulled in to rest between C-3 and Royals smaller aircraft, dirt and all!!! But yet again, you are hurling little carefully selected jabs at RootsAir. Here's some of your best lines
a) "RootsAir will never be ready for the launch date"
b) "they don't have the planes"
c) "went to the lounge, it's O.K., but Canadian's was better"
d) "Saw RootsAir 330 today at YYZ, just a big looking 320 if you ask me!!! " (that one was your best one Slawko). Tell me something, is it only the RootsAir 330 that looks like a big 320? or is that just your "professional opinion"???? because it's a pretty shallow statement. No 330's look like big 320's, so look again pal!
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 1:11 pm

Hmm....Well Rootsgirl and Rootsboy...when I said that C-FBUS looked a bit dirty, it was not a jab or a shot at Skyservice...I was commenting on the way that Airtours, and Garuda maintained their leased airplanes... I do not think that Roots is, was or ever will be a failure...and I may be critical of some things...but it is not something that is Roots specific...in that if i make an observation about something then I will tell it like I see it...and Rootsgirl Yes I do think that about all A330's because it's true!! It is a big A320...that is why an A320 pilot can fly an A330 will only a few hours of extra groundschool.... I don't think that I have been particularly mean towards rootsair...or skyservice, and if you felt that I was then i'm sorry....furthermore rootsboy, It is interesting that someone who types up a little story that is totally uncalled for, can be pointing fingers and calling others immature....what you wrote sounds like something a little boy wrote...and If I was a parking attendant then I would not have airside access...YOu know there are so many other posts about airlines, and people liking or not liking them...and somtimes employees of those airlines post a reply defending their airline...and that is a good thing...I have done it myself in the past...but with the two of you it seems like nothing can ever be said bad about Roots...no one is ever aloud to say anything negative..or point out some things that they observe...Yes I liked the CP lounge better...that is my oppinion...I don;t like KLM's lounge either, But BA's and AA's lounge is nice! The two of you always seem to think that everyone is against you and that we all hate Rootsair...well we don't! But why is there something wrong with making comments about things we don't like? People take shots at ROYAL all the time, about the on time performance or the sched...and I will defend that to a certain point..but when there is something wrong or someone doesn;t like something then that is their oppinion...But with you two it is different...Rootsair is the best in the world and nothing will ever be better...and nothing is ever wrong...No one can make comments, and no one is right unless they agree with you...ROOTSGIRL it is interesting that you posted this "People like you do not belong on this forum, opinions are entitled and respected, but useless crap is a different story." Just before one of your own co-workers went out and did exactly what you said there is no room for on this forum....

And for the record, I do think Roots is a good idea, and will probably eventually succeed...It is a decent airline with a lot of hard working and evidently devoted employees...but I also think that 330 was a bad idea right away, and that Roots could have been branded a little bit better. But I guess if that goes against what you two think I must be wrong...hmmm seems like there are a lot of wrong people posting on this forum...

Have a Nice Day  Smile
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 1:37 pm

Oh my, this is turning into a huge fiasco now. Slawko, I have read you defending your Royal Airlines and of course we are doing the same thing. I have also read some of your ......what shall we say? ....sarcastic/humor in your postings, and I think thats what Rootsboy is doing, having a little fun with it!

And please spare me... I told Skippy 208 that opinions are entitled and respected, but not useless crap and if you read his post, there is no room for the "c" word (as in crash on this site) Sorry, but that's kind of like my own personal code of honor to any airline. And if anyone has the stupidity to start talking crashes then they deserve to be told to shut up.

But back to what you are saying, Slawko, I don't see you trashing C-3's "livery" (which is pretty white itself) or saying their 330's look like giant 320's therfore, it would appear that you are slagging us. BUT notwithstanding, you are entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to defend our airline. You do the same with Royal, and I have seen it in the print!

By the way, as much as flight decks are interchangeable between 320/330/340 pilots; it takes a lot more than a few hours of ground school to do so.

Anyway, I have an early check in and a big plane to wash tomorrow (ha! ha!) Ciao
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 1:59 pm

Like I said I do defend it myself..but I will be the first to stand up and say that we are notorious for delays, and that needs to be addressed...Furthermore...Yes it is only a few hours of ground school...aprox two days 8 hours each if I remember correctly...that I now because I have spoken with your pilots as well as pilots from other airlines...that is how Airbus markets their airplanes..cominality and interchangeability....Never did I say that I agree with or defend anything that Skippy said...In fact I think that was totally stupid and uncalled for...but rootsboys remarks are also uncalled for...Oh and BTW I am the first person to stand up and scream from the hill tops that C3's liver BLOWS!!!!!! and you are right...it is even whiter then yours...I'm sure that if you go back and search you will find lots of posts where I am the first to say that C3 needs a rebranding...and have even suggested a few liveries myself...and the C3 A330 is even closer to the miniplastic, because it is the smaller -200 version...Trust me..anyone who knows be knows that I am not a fan of any bus...not just yours...those remarks I made or about the airplane not the airline...I have no real problem with your comments because a) you have your own oppinion, and that is good, and b) you make rational, and well thoughtout comments, but Rootsboys coments were just as bad as skippy's and I honestly can not see how you can justify them...but again...your oppinion is your own...good luck tomorrow....
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 3:42 pm

Obviously time to switch to decaf north of the border. Or was it one too many Molsons, eh?

Skippy
 
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RE: Rootsgirl

Tue May 01, 2001 7:55 pm

Actually, the laxative is for folks just like you. You seem to be retaining (and I'm not talking about water).

Signing off for a while,
Skippy
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Tue May 01, 2001 10:52 pm

Skippy208, Is that the name for the brand of peanut butter your brain consists of? Go back to mamma(littleboy) you are too young to even know about Molsons...or maybe not , they start drinking young at the trailer park these days! You better sign off for a while, go learn how to spell some more and come back and say the word IDIOT 10 times, click your heels together and you may end up on a RootsAir flight with me on board!! Poor you! Would you like spit in your coffee Skippy or should I pick your meal up off the floor and serve it now? Bye-Bye, thanks for coming out!
 
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Wed May 02, 2001 12:20 am

All I can say is I have been watching this topic for the pst few days and some quite intresting responses have taken place. How did this topic start with Roots air and is now a massive argement on C3/royal?
All I can say about this is....
Roots air I think should keep the 330 but not fly it until the econemy goes up again. Or fly the 330 on big routes like YYZ-YVR and hope the plane gets almost filled. I thinkm for mthe most part Rootsair will be sucessful in the long run and may even give C3 a bit of a war as well as AC. now that C3 royal, and Canjet has merged into C3 you can bet that Roots aiir will be keeping a eye on C3 as they become the new "mega airline" of Canada next to the "Giant" Air Canada.
That is 2 cents.
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Wed May 02, 2001 2:49 am

How we all miss Canadian, the cheap beer, the crappy pretzels, and the horible airplane food. I'm happy with any airline that doesn't have those. Though Canadian did have the best, worst airplane food...if you get what i am saying. Roots Air kick C3 or royal any day. Just look at the service difference and the food...yuck! C3's meals are worse than Delta's!
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Wed May 02, 2001 2:55 am

I am saddened to see the immaturity that is taking place in this topic. I work in the airline industry and I regret finding out that I am amongst some very immature and unprofessional people. This is going too far.

Skippy, I am with the others here, you should refrain from making posts like the one above relating to crashing. However, that goes for you too rootsboy. And Rootsgirl, seriously, you are taking things too far.

With regards to Slawko, I know him personally and I must say that he is very opinionated, and sometimes can tick people off easily. Notwithstanding, he is in operations at Royal, and for a 19 year old finishing high school with excellent marks, and working towards his pilot's license, and working full time at the operations of an airline, I must congratulate him. He is hardly a parking attendant, and he makes more money than a flight attendant, so I guess he does have a "real" job, rootsboy.

I also know that Slawko supports Roots Air, and has told me if he lost his job at Royal/C3 due to the merger, he'd apply at Roots Air because he likes the whole idea of the airline. Guess that's a positive opinion, eh?

Bottom line ... lets all take a deep breath here and relax. I myself working at Royal/C3 as a flight attendand lament the loss of the Royal service as of today, because C3's service sucks. If they really want to take on Air Canada, they must change that FAST! I know I wont have any pride in my job if they will maintain the current C3 service. We will also lose many customers, especially the domestic business passengers. Roots Air plays an important role here in that their service is unquestionably excellent, and will hopefully make the new C3 wake up and smell the coffee, which is pretty much all passengers will get complimentary!

Well, I hope you all relax, and enjoy the beautiful weather today.
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Wed May 02, 2001 9:19 pm

I back Nuno on this one. I as well know Slawko personally and know he is not biased towards C3/Royal, but Rootsboy and Rootsgirl, you guys are SOOOOO biased towards Rootsair, you make it sound like they are doing perfect. "Loads to Vancouver are full" and "Calgary is steadily rising" hmmm, sort of sounds like a couple of airline execs posing as f/a's trying to do online word of mouth advertising. Please stop painting such a pretty picture for Roots and trying to say everyone else is bad, you guys haven't been around too long, I don't think you have 90% plus loads to Vancouver, even on A320's because that's not the way it works. Please stop with the un biased opinions, it honestly, honestly sounds like you guys are on some assignment from management to advertise Roots on these forums. BTW, Slawko is very versed in his knowledge of the airline industry, and even if he was a parking attendant, what is so bad about that, does that mean if you get middle class people you have to serve on Roots that you will serve them with a lower standard? Sounds like it! Oh and for the record, f/a isn't exactly such a tall and proud job (although it's not bad of course) for you to make those types of remarks about "parking attendants" or people like ramp workers, because without them, how would Roots get serviced and park at the gate? Also, you guys seem to do a lot of assuming about people, well you know what they say, assuming makes an ........ well you know what I'm saying here. Thanks for the time, and BTW, I'm NOT a Royal employee, so don't go assuming (keyword here) that I am one and start calling me a lousy baggage handler or something. Slawko, don't let cookie flingers get you down, hehehehe. (sorry Nuno!)
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Thu May 03, 2001 1:46 am

Dear Nuno, Jeremy.

Firstly, IT is extremely rare that I would ever say another airline is bad. And, I think I read one of your previous postings a while ago where you hinted that we were execs...what ever gave you that opinion? Our steadfast loyalty? The same loyalty that Slawko and others have said about their respective employers (not that there is anything wrong with it...there isn't) As for the loads, would you like a print out on that? I would never say something that was untrue, so if the loads are full, I'll say they are full. Why not? I don't consider that offensive, too bad I had to say it anyway, but I was setting the facts straight!!!

As for Rootsboy, saying "parking lot attendants" he was being sarcastic. It's kind of like a nurse claiming to be a doctor....so someone does not work for RootsAir but they claim that the lounge will never be ready, they don't have the planes blah blah blah. In other words Rootsboy gavle Slawko a taste of his medicine and now it's caused mayhem and uproar.

If someone is trashing my company, when they really only hear tidbits of gossip and heresay, I will also get out there and set the record straight and if I have the FACTS, even better!

This is turning into a "lets' defend Slawko". Well he has already defended himself, thank you. Something he should do becasue despite what you say, and I agree he is a nice guy, I get along with him on the forum---He does haved the tendency to get the knife in and make jabs. My argument is why? Iv'e seen him defend Royal till the end, and I have jumped on this bandwagon to stand behind him. Why? because I like Royal and I really don't care about delays etc. I love the service and the employees!

Notwithstanding this, Rootsboy was sick and tired of all the slagging. AND I don't blame him. Can't he be sarcastic without reprecussions? Obviously not. By the way, Rootsboy is a fabulous crewmember, and at a young age, he is also working towards his pilots license, so he has very admirable traits too. I did not even want to get into this because I don't feel I have to stand up and defend him, but considering you guys are jumping on the wagon, I thought I'd stand behind my pal too.

BUT, regardless of how good an employee one is, or if either one of them has future aspirations of being at the helm of the flightdeck in the future, it makes no difference-really!

If you don't like the fact that I will stand up and defend my company to the useless garbage I read then too bad! I'm not asking you to. I only do it when the posting are unfactual. No we are not perfect, I have agreed on this topic and others that the livery should have been better and so on.....

Time to let it go now. You are all friends and I like the fact you defend your friend...not much different than defending your company or your hockey team is it? And you don't have to be an exec to do that! Regards
Ms. RootsAir
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RE: Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!

Thu May 03, 2001 1:47 am

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